in Deathly Hallows, it seems like its harry's first time to see the Thestrals..
Hermione claimed that the carts (or whatever) moved itslef since then.
and thestrals can only be seen by people who have witnessed death.
the question is?
why in harry's 1st to 4th year he did not see any thestrals? he certainly witnessed several deaths.. his parents, he killed quirell, died in front of him.
"I’ve been asked this a lot. Harry didn’t see his parents die. He was in his cot at the time (he was just over a year old) and, as I say in ‘Philosopher’s Stone’, all he saw was a flash of green light. He didn’t see Quirrell’s death, either. Harry had passed out before Quirrell died and was only told about it by Dumbledore in the last chapter.
He did, however, witness the murder of Cedric, and it is this that makes him able to see the Thestrals at last. Why couldn’t he see the Thestrals on his trip back to the train station? Well, I didn’t want to start a new mystery, which would not be resolved for a long time, at the very end of the fourth book. I decided, therefore, that until Harry is over the first shock, and really feels what death means (ie, when he fully appreciates that Cedric is gone forever and that he can never come back, which takes time, whatever age you are) he would not be able to see the Thestrals. After two months away from school during which he has dwelled endlessly on his memories of the murder and had nightmares about it, the Thestrals have taken shape and form and he can see them quite clearly"
I liked the idea of them, but what didn't make sense to me was that they were unk nown to everyone. At some point in the 1000 year history of Hogwarts, somebody that had seen a parent die or whatever would have been able to see a thestral. They would have said something about it and then everyone would have known about "the invisible horses".
As it is, it is a complete mystery that absolutely no one knows about.
I liked the idea of them, but what didn't make sense to me was that they were unk nown to everyone. At some point in the 1000 year history of Hogwarts, somebody that had seen a parent die or whatever would have been able to see a thestral. They would have said something about it and then everyone would have known about "the invisible horses".
As it is, it is a complete mystery that absolutely no one knows about.
Well, It's not everyday you see someone die. _________________ Peace is a lie. There is only passion.
Through Passion, I gain strength.
Through Strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory my chains are broken.
Well, I guess people who can see them aren't too keen on shouting it to the world....
And I just thought of something. Yes, Harry didn't see his parents or Quirrell die, but he did see Cedric die, and I know for a fact that it said at the end of the fourth book 'the horseless carriages'. _________________ Draco Malfoy and *sniff...sob* Fred Weasly ♥
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"I decided, therefore, that until Harry is over the first shock, and really feels what death means (ie, when he fully appreciates that Cedric is gone forever and that he can never come back, which takes time, whatever age you are) he would not be able to see the Thestrals. After two months away from school during which he has dwelled endlessly on his memories of the murder and had nightmares about it, the Thestrals have taken shape and form and he can see them quite clearly"
_________________ Blame it on a simple twist of fate. ~ Bob Dylan
I liked the idea of them, but what didn't make sense to me was that they were unk nown to everyone. At some point in the 1000 year history of Hogwarts, somebody that had seen a parent die or whatever would have been able to see a thestral. They would have said something about it and then everyone would have known about "the invisible horses".
As it is, it is a complete mystery that absolutely no one knows about.
Well, It's not everyday you see someone die.
Right, but in a school of 1000 students, over the course of 1000 years, odds are someone must have seen someone die, then seen a thestral, and said - "Hey, look at the weird horse". Then everyone would have known and the knowledge would be passed down. and, it's not like it was a big secret - Hagrid had no qualms about teaching thestrals to his students.
Anyway, like I said, I like them - they just don't make sense.
I liked the idea of them, but what didn't make sense to me was that they were unk nown to everyone. At some point in the 1000 year history of Hogwarts, somebody that had seen a parent die or whatever would have been able to see a thestral. They would have said something about it and then everyone would have known about "the invisible horses".
As it is, it is a complete mystery that absolutely no one knows about.
Well, It's not everyday you see someone die.
Right, but in a school of 1000 students, over the course of 1000 years, odds are someone must have seen someone die, then seen a thestral, and said - "Hey, look at the weird horse". Then everyone would have known and the knowledge would be passed down. and, it's not like it was a big secret - Hagrid had no qualms about teaching thestrals to his students.
Anyway, like I said, I like them - they just don't make sense.
Not really. Look at Neville. He had seen someone die and didn't even tell his friends. Luna didn't say anything and she could see them. Harry told his friends and they thought he was insane. So we can safely assume that others who have seen death were either considered nutso (as in Harry's case) or just didn't say anything.
Hagrid saw someone die, and the news of threstrals didn't get passed around. And some people did know about them, Umbridge certainly did. She just couldn't see them. _________________ Blame it on a simple twist of fate. ~ Bob Dylan
Besides, if it has been talked about, then the novelty of it probably died out fast. It was probably talked about a lot of times in 1000 years, but after every one knows about the thestrals, then they just kind of get bored with the topic. Then new generations come in, and fewer and fewer students from each year would realize that there were any animals drawing the carriages. _________________
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Besides, if it has been talked about, then the novelty of it probably died out fast. It was probably talked about a lot of times in 1000 years, but after every one knows about the thestrals, then they just kind of get bored with the topic. Then new generations come in, and fewer and fewer students from each year would realize that there were any animals drawing the carriages.
Haha, kind of like toics here... we talk about things until it gets boring. The threads die out and disappear to teh second, thir page... then new people come on and bring up the topics again and it starts all over again. _________________ Blame it on a simple twist of fate. ~ Bob Dylan
i have a question ok so harry say quirrel die in the first book how come he didnt see them in his second year? _________________ And in this crazy life, and through these crazy times It's you, it's you, You make me sing. You're every line, you're every word, you're everything. -"Everything" Michael Buble
"I decided, therefore, that until Harry is over the first shock, and really feels what death means (ie, when he fully appreciates that Cedric is gone forever and that he can never come back, which takes time, whatever age you are) he would not be able to see the Thestrals. After two months away from school during which he has dwelled endlessly on his memories of the murder and had nightmares about it, the Thestrals have taken shape and form and he can see them quite clearly"
ohhhh...kk _________________ Draco Malfoy and *sniff...sob* Fred Weasly ♥
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so do the movies show it inaccuratly cuz in the movies harry sees both his mom and quirrel die, but in the books it never does say he saw his mom die, only the green light, and quirrell, harry sees quirrell crumble infront of him but it never actually says that in the books _________________ ~*Mags*~
so do the movies show it inaccuratly cuz in the movies harry sees both his mom and quirrel die, but in the books it never does say he saw his mom die, only the green light, and quirrell, harry sees quirrell crumble infront of him but it never actually says that in the books
Well, when he saw Quirrell die, he was on the verge of fainting, so that can be written off as he didn't see it because his head was clouded with the darkness that overtakes a person before he faints. I can't remember the movie exactcly. I know that the movie showed Harry standing up in his crib, but he could have stood up after he saw the flash of green light. I am sure that he was meant to be laying down in the book when his mother was actually killed. _________________
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so do the movies show it inaccuratly cuz in the movies harry sees both his mom and quirrel die, but in the books it never does say he saw his mom die, only the green light, and quirrell, harry sees quirrell crumble infront of him but it never actually says that in the books
Well, when he saw Quirrell die, he was on the verge of fainting, so that can be written off as he didn't see it because his head was clouded with the darkness that overtakes a person before he faints. I can't remember the movie exactcly. I know that the movie showed Harry standing up in his crib, but he could have stood up after he saw the flash of green light. I am sure that he was meant to be laying down in the book when his mother was actually killed.
It doesn't really matter what the movies have happe, I never really consider it canon.
In the movie Quirell turns to dust before Harry passes out.
As for his mom, he was only one at the time so even if he had seen it, he wouldn't know what the heck was going on. _________________ Blame it on a simple twist of fate. ~ Bob Dylan
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