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PostPosted: August 31, 2007 5:47 am    Post subject: Hogwarts battle Reply with quote

Don't you think that in the last battle, all the good guys should have killed the death eaters other than just stunning? Because the death eaters just come back and kill the good guys... Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: August 31, 2007 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, then everyone's souls would be split. Also they don't just go free now that Voldy's gone, they're either in Azkaban or have had the kiss.. assuming the Ministry is restored and the dementors are controlled.
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PostPosted: August 31, 2007 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah.. they're unforgivable curses.

Besides... you can still kill people with regular hexes and such.

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Like when Molly killed Bellatrix with a hex aimed right at her heart


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PostPosted: September 1, 2007 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, thx...But how did you do that spoiler thing?
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PostPosted: September 1, 2007 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fiendfyre wrote:
Yeah.. they're unforgivable curses.

Besides... you can still kill people with regular hexes and such.

Spoiler:

Like when Molly killed Bellatrix with a hex aimed right at her heart

lol where dos it say that. i thought she used avada kedavra
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PostPosted: September 1, 2007 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

xxbloodythoughts wrote:
Fiendfyre wrote:
Yeah.. they're unforgivable curses.

Besides... you can still kill people with regular hexes and such.

Spoiler:

Like when Molly killed Bellatrix with a hex aimed right at her heart

lol where dos it say that. i thought she used avada kedavra


Oh no, haha, this has been an ongoing debate...Some people think that Molly wouldn't do that. I think that after Bellatrix went after her daughter and taunted her about her dead son any mother would have went for the kill. But that's offtopic. Very Happy



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But how did you do that spoiler thing?

To do the spoiler thing, just highlight the text and click on the "spoiler" button.
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PostPosted: September 1, 2007 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It says specifically (99.9% sure, short of looking it up right now) that Molly aimed a hex right at her heart, or chest area, and then Bellatrix collapsed. I thought it was established that people could be killed with different hexes depending on how strong the spell is cast and where it is aimed at. For sure, that has been said several times about when several stunning spells are used to stun one person. It can be lethal.
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PostPosted: September 2, 2007 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

teacakes wrote:
No, then everyone's souls would be split. Also they don't just go free now that Voldy's gone, they're either in Azkaban or have had the kiss.. assuming the Ministry is restored and the dementors are controlled.


I think that you have to put your soul into a horcrux for it to be split(unless i am mistaken) and i would honestly have shot killing curses back i wouldnt want to be facing the same enemy again after he killed a friend of mine, when i could have killed him the first time
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PostPosted: September 2, 2007 12:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

M_Blandizzi wrote:
teacakes wrote:
No, then everyone's souls would be split. Also they don't just go free now that Voldy's gone, they're either in Azkaban or have had the kiss.. assuming the Ministry is restored and the dementors are controlled.


I think that you have to put your soul into a horcrux for it to be split(unless i am mistaken) and i would honestly have shot killing curses back i wouldnt want to be facing the same enemy again after he killed a friend of mine, when i could have killed him the first time


yeah, your soul doesn't spilt just because you kill someone, there is a bunch of spells and stuff you have to do. Ron and Harry ask Hermione what needs to be done to make a Horcrux and she said it was too awful. A fan asked JKR the same question and she gave the same answer. It's more than just killing someone, there's a procedure involved.





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It says specifically (99.9% sure, short of looking it up right now) that Molly aimed a hex right at her heart,


The exact quote is...

DH ch 36, pg 736 (US ed)
Molly's curse soared beneath Bellatrix's outstreched arm and hit her squarely in the chest, directly over her heart.


The word that is used is curse, which could mean it was the Killing Curse.
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PostPosted: September 2, 2007 1:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But the fact that it just says "Molly's curse" probably means that it's just some curse out of hundreds of curses that could be used. If it were the Killing Curse, I'm sure it would have said that. Cuz that'd be a pretty big deal.
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PostPosted: September 2, 2007 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But the fact that it just says "Molly's curse" probably means that it's just some curse out of hundreds of curses that could be used. If it were the Killing Curse, I'm sure it would have said that. Cuz that'd be a pretty big deal.


Not necassairly. The fact that it says "curse" does mean that the Killing Curse is still a possibility.
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PostPosted: September 2, 2007 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But JKR would have mentioned she used the KILLING curse. cuz that's a huge deal. it's unforgivable.

Surely you can kill people with regular curses. They would just have to be cast strong enough and pointed at a vital area.
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PostPosted: September 2, 2007 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But JKR would have mentioned she used the KILLING curse. cuz that's a huge deal. it's unforgivable.

Surely you can kill people with regular curses. They would just have to be cast strong enough and pointed at a vital area.


She never said if other curses can kill. But just like whether or not Molly used the Killing Curse, just because she didn't say it, doesn't mean it's not a possibility.
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PostPosted: September 2, 2007 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's possible to kill and not use AK, like how DD's sister died.

There's a difference between having your soul torn/split/damaged and making a Horcrux. The only way you can make a Horcrux is to damage your soul then perform some spell(I think that's what Slughorn said), but the spell doesn't split your soul, the act of killing does, or atleast damages it allowning you to split it.
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PostPosted: September 2, 2007 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea i reckon the Battle of Hogwart will be awsum yet sad too lol
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PostPosted: September 3, 2007 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, i'm sure it will be great... Damn, i can't wait for rthe rest of the films to come out.
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PostPosted: September 3, 2007 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fiendfyre wrote:
But JKR would have mentioned she used the KILLING curse. cuz that's a huge deal. it's unforgivable.

Surely you can kill people with regular curses. They would just have to be cast strong enough and pointed at a vital area.
ok jkr probly thought it was obvious with all the death that had happened. and it isnt magicly unforgivable, its just against ministry law (which just so happened to be overthrown at the time).
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PostPosted: September 4, 2007 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

McGonagall got hit with six stunning spells in the chest and didn't die, and she's probably twice Bella's age. It was probably the killing curse.
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PostPosted: September 4, 2007 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Theeighthhorcrux wrote:
McGonagall got hit with six stunning spells in the chest and didn't die, and she's probably twice Bella's age. It was probably the killing curse.


EEXXCCEELLEENNTT....
I think it was the Killing Curse that hit Belltrix. And JKR had it hit her in the heart for metaphorical reasons.
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PostPosted: September 5, 2007 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bellatrix killed so many and hurted too many people
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PostPosted: September 6, 2007 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah...
Spoiler:

It was cool the way she died, Mrs Weasley calling her a you-know-what.


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PostPosted: September 7, 2007 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Find me a point in the book where someone is killed by AK but it isn't specified that it is the killing curse and I'll consider that Mrs.Weasley really used it.
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PostPosted: September 7, 2007 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

teacakes wrote:
Find me a point in the book where someone is killed by AK but it isn't specified that it is the killing curse and I'll consider that Mrs.Weasley really used it.


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But if it isn't specified, then how can we show it to you?
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PostPosted: September 7, 2007 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ The point is that you can't. I wanna know what JKR has to say.
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