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twizzler4545
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PostPosted: July 20, 2007 5:38 pm    Post subject: Snape Reply with quote

does anyone else believe that snape is neither good nor bad and that all he is trying to do is play the two greates wizards of all time
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mynameiskerry_xo
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PostPosted: July 22, 2007 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, you'll find out in the 7th book (:
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SexySeverus
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PostPosted: July 23, 2007 10:44 am    Post subject: Snapes too Byronic to be truly evil Reply with quote

[/spoiler] Snape is good, thank God, I really though Rowling didn't like him and was going to make him evil. I love Snape, he turned out to have such a bittersweet, sad story. It's just soooooo sad, and if he had been just a little bit different, he could have had her probably! It's so sad...I love Snape though, and I love that he was finally given the credit for being a good guy at the end. He was, in my opinion, one if not the best character represented onscreen (Alan Rickman, can you get better?). And that's what he is...Sexy Severus (watch some other movies with him in it, you'll agree even more...ever seen Die Hard?)
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vanilla_nick
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PostPosted: July 23, 2007 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i really wish she would have written like more of a backstory about him earlier on, or maybe she'll explain more if she writes pttterpedia like we're hoping
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megggannn
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PostPosted: July 23, 2007 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spoiler:

Throughout the series, I always had that little feeling in the back of my mind that he really was not as bad as everyone thought, that there was a nice guy under that disgusting head of hair. I'm really glad that he turned out the way he did, reaching out to Harry to explain himself in his last moments of life. His story was that of the underdog who secretly loved this bigdog's girl, and that is a story that I have always been partial to.

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SexySeverus
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PostPosted: July 24, 2007 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Me too...I was always rooting for Snape, and he was always cynical enough to be absolutely hilarious so I was hoping and believing that she would make him good, that he couldn't have really killed Dumbledore, at least not in the way everyone believed. I was so happy there was a...prepare yourself, this is cheesy...a heroes heart beating underneath those villainous, billowing black robes. Hurrah for Snape...BUT WHY DID HE HAVE TO DIE THAT WAY? I wish he could have dueled somebody big, then died after killing the person he was dueling, or something, as long as he could give harry the memories. Sad, sad, sad.
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halfbloodprincess
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PostPosted: July 24, 2007 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

snape has always fascinated me as a character because he is a very complex person... he doesnt draw too much attention to himself yet he stands out. he's very very intelligent, yet very subtle... cool, calm, composed, rational, but vindictive and bitter and... you get my point... and while you cant say he's a bad guy, neither can you say he is good... nor can you say, "he's okay, nothing much...". that kind of guy is really an interesting one. makes you think that its worth knowing more about his past, his secrets, himself, and all that.
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SexySeverus
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PostPosted: July 24, 2007 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I wonder is if he was brought up in a clean, loving home, would he have been austere or cynical? would the Dark Arts held such fascination for him, and would he, in fact, have been sorted into Slytherin? I thought it was sooooo sad when they said,

Dumbledore "You know, sometimes I think we sort too soon"
and he walked away, leaving Snape looking stricken.

If he had been brought up differently, who knows...Lily might have requited his love, and there could never have been a Harry Potter. He would have still been smart, collected, and cool, but he would not have become the teenager that Lily couldn't hang around with anymore.
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halfbloodprincess
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PostPosted: July 24, 2007 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

he might have been chosen for gryffindor but preferred to be in slytherin... much like harry wanted to be in gryffindor but was sorted into slytherin... i mean, look at it... yes he is cunning... but he is very brave... and i dont recall him using any means to achieve his ends... unless i missed out on something... and he's loyal, willing to die for lily... that sounds so much like a gryffindor to me... he might have been a slytherin all because of his fascination for the Dark Arts and his choice to be a slytherin/...
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PostPosted: July 24, 2007 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

halfbloodprincess wrote:
he might have been chosen for gryffindor but preferred to be in slytherin... much like harry wanted to be in gryffindor but was sorted into slytherin... i mean, look at it... yes he is cunning... but he is very brave... and i dont recall him using any means to achieve his ends... unless i missed out on something... and he's loyal, willing to die for lily... that sounds so much like a gryffindor to me... he might have been a slytherin all because of his fascination for the Dark Arts and his choice to be a slytherin/...

The only thing that bothers me about this line of thinking is that would mean that he chose Slytherin over Lily. If that is the case then Snape has nobody to blame but himself when Lily ended up with James. It could just be that at the time of the sorting he fit into Slytherin but as time went by he became more brave and loyal.
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SexySeverus
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PostPosted: July 24, 2007 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes and no...because remember, Harry said he could hear Snape give a little moan when Lily was sorted into Gryffindore? So he must've wanted Gryffindore if he was so upset...but then again, who knows if he realized that he could have what he wanted? If he knew that the Sorting Hat would put him into Gryffindore because he wanted to, he might not have gone to Slytherin. He probably knew that he was a dark, morbid child that would fit better into Slytherin, so he was prepared for it, and the Sorting Hat mistook that for him wanting to be in it.
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halfbloodprincess
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PostPosted: July 24, 2007 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

could be that he just felt like a slytherin at that time... so that is what the sorting hat saw... when dumbledore said "we sort too soon", maybe that was what he was referring to... snape only felt "slytherin-ish" at that time... but his gryffindor traits took the better of him...

i dunno... but jkr said the sorting hat never fails... but dumbledore said that particular line "we sort too soon..." so that sounds as though there is a problem with the sorting.... and you cant really say dumbledore was wrong coz he didnt sound like he could have made a mistake with that... furthermore, jkr said, if she wants to impart something to readers, she courses it though dumbledore or hermione... so i can see a contradiction...
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SexySeverus
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PostPosted: July 24, 2007 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree...but it would've been awful interesting if Snape kinda was partial to Gryffindores instead of Slytherin. It's kinda funny, because JKR took the best of all the classic human struggles and combined them. Love against hate, fiery red/gold courage and perseverence against cool green/silver cunning and ambition, dark against light, etc. I know probably everyone noticed this, but I just thought I'd voice it. Harry Potter truly is (was? Crying ) a modern day fairytale, with all of humanities struggles embodied in it.

But yeah, poor Snape. I bet he would've gotten Lily if he'd not been put into Slytherin.
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PostPosted: August 20, 2007 7:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Snapes too Byronic to be truly evil Reply with quote

SexySeverus wrote:
[/spoiler] Snape is good, thank God, I really though Rowling didn't like him and was going to make him evil. I love Snape, he turned out to have such a bittersweet, sad story. It's just soooooo sad, and if he had been just a little bit different, he could have had her probably! It's so sad...I love Snape though, and I love that he was finally given the credit for being a good guy at the end. He was, in my opinion, one if not the best character represented onscreen (Alan Rickman, can you get better?). And that's what he is...Sexy Severus (watch some other movies with him in it, you'll agree even more...ever seen Die Hard?)


completely agree with everything you just said. i cried the whole time i read his story. Sad
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PostPosted: August 21, 2007 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's a nice guy deep down but people treat him like an ass, so what else is he going to be to them? Super nice and outgoing
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PostPosted: August 23, 2007 4:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

halfbloodprincess wrote:
he is cunning... but he is very brave... and he's loyal, willing to die for lily... that sounds so much like a gryffindor to me...

For me this is what makes him the most interesting character, the most believable as well because people aren't black and white. Most people in the book seem to be "nice all the time" (harry) or "mean all the time" (umbridge). And I always had a problem with the sorting. I mean what if you change which is very likely as you get older? What if someone is equally good at everything and doesn't particularly care what house they go to?


I completely agree with SexySeverus, I love the way JKR uses opposites throughout the whole book.

SexySeverus wrote:
What I wonder is if he was brought up in a clean, loving home, would he have been austere or cynical? would the Dark Arts held such fascination for him, and would he, in fact, have been sorted into Slytherin? I thought it was sooooo sad when they said,
Sucha a good question!! I want the answer but I don't know how JK could slip it i nthe Potterpedia. imo, taking into account what DD said, if he had had a loving childhood he would have definitely gone into gryffindor, because his loyalty would have more of a chance to have shone through, not obstructed by his feeling of hurt etc.
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PostPosted: August 24, 2007 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In one of JKR's interviews:

Nithya: Lily detested mulciber,averyif snape really loved her,why didnt he sacrifice their company for her sake
J.K. Rowling: Well, that is Snape’s tragedy. Given his time over again he would not have become a Death Eater, but like many insecure, vulnerable people (like Wormtail) he craved membership of something big and powerful, something impressive. He wanted Lily and he wanted Mulciber too. He never really understood Lily’s aversion; he was so blinded by his attraction to the dark side he thought she would find him impressive if he became a real Death Eater.
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PostPosted: August 24, 2007 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poor Snape

I could never accept that he was evil, even afterhe killed DD and though DH Ijst wanted him to be good.

His memories for me were the most emotion part of all 7 books, and I was already cring but when DD asked him if he cared for Harry all this time ad he just said "Always" I couldnt stop.

I thinkhe had the same problem as the Malfoys, he wanted to be in Slytherin because he was brought up to believe that it would make him important a powerful but like most he got invoved with the dark arts and lost Lily, who he truely loved.

Poor man.
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