I was re-reading hp 6 and I read the part about Trelawney telling Harry that snape was listening at the door, and I found some things that just didn't make any sense...
If Snape only heard the first half of the prophecy, why does Trelawney remember this?!
We learned in book 3 that Trelawney can't remember doing (real) predictions, she can't remember anything she says, as well as anything that happens while she does one. If Snape heard the first half, why does she know this, she was in a trance!!
So what did happen?
Trelawney could remember Snape being caught so Snape must have heard the entire prophecy. But Dumbledore told Harry that Snape told Voldemort everything he knew about the prophecy... which was the first half.
I think Dumbledore lied to Harry, because he knows that Harry is a diseaster in Occlumecy and if he'd tell Harry the truth, there'd be a chance that Voldymort would find out that Snape didn't tell him the entire prophecy.
So Snape must have cooperated with Dumbeldore. _________________ Nederlands!!
I was re-reading hp 6 and I read the part about Trelawney telling Harry that snape was listening at the door, and I found some things that just didn't make any sense...
If Snape only heard the first half of the prophecy, why does Trelawney remember this?!
We learned in book 3 that Trelawney can't remember doing (real) predictions, she can't remember anything she says, as well as anything that happens while she does one. If Snape heard the first half, why does she know this, she was in a trance!!
So what did happen?
Trelawney could remember Snape being caught so Snape must have heard the entire prophecy. But Dumbledore told Harry that Snape told Voldemort everything he knew about the prophecy... which was the first half.
I think Dumbledore lied to Harry, because he knows that Harry is a diseaster in Occlumecy and if he'd tell Harry the truth, there'd be a chance that Voldymort would find out that Snape didn't tell him the entire prophecy.
So Snape must have cooperated with Dumbeldore.
Even more proof that Snape is good! Yay
You are so amazing. I never noticed any of that. _________________
"I wel remember my first interview with Dumbledore," went on Professor Trelawney in throathy tones. "He was deeply impressed, of course, deeply impressed ... I was staying at the Hog's Head, which I do not advise, incidentally - bed bugs, dear boy - but funds were low. Dumbledore did me the courtesy of calling upon me in my own room at the inn. He questioned me ... I must confess that, at first, I thought he seemed ill-disposed towards Divination ... and I remember I was starting to feel a little odd, I had not eaten much that day ... but then ..."
And now Harry was paying attention properly for the first time, for he knew what happened then: Professor Trelawney had maden the prophecy that had altered the course of his whole life, the prophecy about him and Voldemort,
"... but then we were rudely interrupted by Severus Snape!"
"What?"
"Yes, there was a commotion outside the door and it flew open, and there was that rather uncouth barman standing with Snape, who was waffeling about having come the wrong way up the stairs, although I'm afraid that I myself rather thought he had been apprehended eavesdropping on my interview with Dumbledore - you see, he himself was seeking a job at the time, and no doubt hoped to pick up tips! Well, after that, you know, Dumbledore seemed much more disposed to give me a job, and I could not help thinking, Harry, that it was because he appreciated the stark contrast between my own unassuming manners and the quiet talent, compared to the pushing, thrusting young man who was prepared to listen at keyholes - Harry, dear?"
and
JkRowling @ HBP, UK ed, page 512 wrote:
"Harry," said Dumbledore quietly. "Please listen to me."
It was difficult to stop his relentless pacing as to refrain from shouting. Harry paused, biting his lip, and looked into Dumbledore's lined face.
"Professor Snape made a terrible -"
"Don't tell me it was a mistake, sir, he was listening at the door!"
"Please let me finish." Dumbledore waited until Harry had nodded curtly, then went on. "Professor Snape made a terrible mistake. He was still in Lord Voldemort's employ on the night he heard the first half of Professor Trelawney's prophecy. Naturally, he hastened to tell his master what he had heard, for it concerned his master most deeply. But he did not know - he had no possible way of knowing - which boy Voldemort would hunt from then onwards, or that the parents he would destroy in his murderous quest where the people that Professor Snape knew, that they were your mother and father -"
I can't quote the part from book 3, because I haven't got them in English (only in Dutch, but you really wouldn't want to read my translation ) _________________ Nederlands!!
she knew snape was in the room with them. _________________
lozinja wrote:
first time i heard it i kinda laughed.
second time i was like o crap this is gonna be a hit, i'm going to hear it waaay too much and get so sick of it.
third time i turned the radio off.
No because Dumbledore said snape only knew half the prophecy, he couln't have heard the entire prophecy and only DD and trelawney were in the room. _________________ Nederlands!!
That's an excellent point!! Goes off to ponder this.
So you think that Snape heard the whole thing, but only relayed on the first half? Ponders some more...
Trelawny in a trance, would not be a pretty sight. It would seem unusual that she was in a trance, awoke to hear Snape's entrance, then went back into a trance. That seems to be asking a bit much.
Trelawny remembers feeling odd, and then waking up. Which confirms the "trance" bit. It only makes sense if Snape did hear the whole story.
Otherwise she'd have had to go into a trance twice.
Or that Snape heard the whole story, but only told half of it. Which would be a very good reason for Dumbledore to trust Snape as having betrayed LV. Excellent, Excellent. It's so good, that my brain aches just thinking about it.
Well done! _________________ Education is the passport to the future, for tomorrow belongs to those who prepare for it today.
OF CORSE HE IS GOOD I THINK THAT HE WAS JUST DOING THAT STUFF TO LOOK COOL IN FRONT OF THE DEATHEATERS AND I THINK THAT IN THE 7TH BOOK HARRY WILL REALIZE WHEN HE IS KILLING SNAPE THAT HE IS GOOD AND he is going to feel bad about it that is what i think (HE IS GOOD I KNOW IT)
Snape did not hear the entire prophecy. Trelawney was in a trance, but she came in and out of it during the prophecy. The text in the book is written ('THE ONE WITH THE POWER TO VANQUISH THE DARK LORD APPROACHES....(pause, out of trance for a brief second) BORN TO THOSE WHO HAVE THRICE DEFIED HIM, BORN AS THE SEVENTH MONTH DIES....(pause, out of trance, snape is discovered)
So Snape did only hear the first part. He must have obviously known what Voldemort was going to do to that person once he found out who it was. So how can he feel bad. This isn't a complex part of the prophecy, he knew the way Voldemort would interpret it, he knew someone was going to die.
So you're saying that Trelawny was in a trance, woke up, for a few seconds and went back into a trance for a second time?
I think Tessa has raised an interesting question about Snape. I have such doubts about Trelawnys' ability, that I don't think she could re-enter a trance easily, if at all. So I'm smitted by Tessa's arguements, that maybe, just maybe, Snape did hear the whole thing.
That would change our perceptions of Snape so much. It would also give a valid reason for Dumbledore intrepid yet constant support of Snape, for which to date we have no definite reason. This would be a reason for his complete faith in Snape, don't you think? _________________ Education is the passport to the future, for tomorrow belongs to those who prepare for it today.
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