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PostPosted: August 11, 2007 3:30 pm    Post subject: Discrepancy involving the night the Potter's died? Reply with quote

I've been wondering about the part in the movie when Harry talks to LV in the back of Q's head...and I remember LV saying that James was very brave and he put up a valiant fight or something the other...

...but in DH
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When LV goes to Godrics Hollow he encounters a completely wandless James and kills him...there's no fight to speak of

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PostPosted: August 11, 2007 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i saw that as well,

but you must remember that Voldemort was trying to trick Harry into giveing him the stone (which is why he was praising Harry, saying he was brave and that he liked brave wizards)

So it may have been a lie.
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PostPosted: August 11, 2007 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But I would think that knowing that his father fought to keep LV away from him would make Harry less likely to do what LV says...but I guess LV doesn't think that way.
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PostPosted: August 11, 2007 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Telling Harry that his father fought, made Harry want to fight as well.
LV was just trying to taunt Harry.

And James did kind of put up a fight. He didn't have a wand, so when he faced down LV it wasn't a fair fight, but a fight none the less. He tried to buy time for Lily to try to get away.
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PostPosted: August 11, 2007 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would probably say that James stood up to LV, and not so much fought him off...it sounded like the whole thing was over in seconds...

...either way it was brave!
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PostPosted: August 12, 2007 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Harry's Dad does stand up to him.

In PoA when Harry is dealing with the dementors, he not only hears Voldemort and his mother - but his father telling his mum that he'll try and hold Voldemort off.
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PostPosted: August 13, 2007 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes I was gonna mention that 'Harry loves Hermione'...James was brave..obviously Voldemort would see bravery in comparison to him. Even if someone was brave, Voldemort wouldn't expect any one who's 'brave' to actually defeat him, but just to act more couragous. And james potter did.
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PostPosted: August 14, 2007 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Daxxa wrote:
Yes I was gonna mention that 'Harry loves Hermione'...James was brave..obviously Voldemort would see bravery in comparison to him. Even if someone was brave, Voldemort wouldn't expect any one who's 'brave' to actually defeat him, but just to act more couragous. And james potter did.


I agree, but it does seem like Voldemort changes the story slightly - mainly to hide details from harry (like that his parents were brave)

Because you find out that he set out ONLY to kill James and Harry Potter, he would have left Lily alone, but she refused.

I also think Voldemort is slightly scared of Harry, so he wants Harry to feel as weak, and worthless as possible - not brave like his father.
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PostPosted: August 15, 2007 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I don't think we should be taking Voldemort's word on how things when down that night. He's not the most reliable source, ya know? He was more than defeated, he was reduced to a vapor and had to hide out in Albania for 10 years.
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PostPosted: August 15, 2007 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that's why he was trying to mess with Harry, to make him feel like it was no big accomplishment.

In PS he tries to downplay Harry's mother's sacrifice as something small, all to make Harry feel like he can't win ever again.
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PostPosted: August 21, 2007 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice catch!
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PostPosted: August 21, 2007 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just because he's a wizard doesn't mean he can't fight. We all know that Hermonie has the sickest right hook at Hogwarts, just ask Draco.
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