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Harry Loves Hermione
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I think that's pretty close, but I think you also have to have no feeling and no remorse whatsoever for the people you kill. If you feel sorry about it, I don't think the spell would have much of an effect.
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Luna_is_my_savor
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| Posted: August 9, 2007 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Harry Loves Hermione wrote: |
| I think that's pretty close, but I think you also have to have no feeling and no remorse whatsoever for the people you kill. If you feel sorry about it, I don't think the spell would have much of an effect. |
No because, again, you don't truely want to kill them..the only fluke on this thoery is when, in the 6th book, harry is chasing Bellitrix Black and trying to kill her. He truely wanted to kill her...She had just killed Sirus.
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Soliloquy
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People are probably doubting Crabbe's magic. Even though he's clumsy and slow, he could still possess powers as a wizard. He was trained for an entire school year by Alecto, and he could cast Fiendfyre. I think that Alecto, knowing Crabbe's stupidity yet strength, believed Crabbe could pull off some powers as a death eater. It's probably the same with Goyle, but I think that in DH we finally see a difference between the two idiots.
As for the Death Eaters, I would believe that each one of them must be able to perform AK before serving Voldy. If you can't kill, how can you serve? There must've been some sort of ritual. Also, the Death Eaters we've seen are usually high ranked. Bellatrix, Dolohov, Lucius, etc. are all high-ranking death eaters. Those at the Battle of Hogwarts 1 and 2 had to be high ranked because they actually fought with Voldy and the crew to take down Dumbledore and Harry. Would the Dark Lord trust some low bum to serve him in a mission that requires skill and obedience? Hell no. AK, in my opinion, is still a dangerous spell. |
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Harry Loves Hermione
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| Posted: August 11, 2007 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Soliloquy wrote: |
People are probably doubting Crabbe's magic. Even though he's clumsy and slow, he could still possess powers as a wizard. He was trained for an entire school year by Alecto, and he could cast Fiendfyre. I think that Alecto, knowing Crabbe's stupidity yet strength, believed Crabbe could pull off some powers as a death eater. It's probably the same with Goyle, but I think that in DH we finally see a difference between the two idiots.
As for the Death Eaters, I would believe that each one of them must be able to perform AK before serving Voldy. If you can't kill, how can you serve? There must've been some sort of ritual. Also, the Death Eaters we've seen are usually high ranked. Bellatrix, Dolohov, Lucius, etc. are all high-ranking death eaters. Those at the Battle of Hogwarts 1 and 2 had to be high ranked because they actually fought with Voldy and the crew to take down Dumbledore and Harry. Would the Dark Lord trust some low bum to serve him in a mission that requires skill and obedience? Hell no. AK, in my opinion, is still a dangerous spell. |
But Bella never actually kills anybody - which the movie friggen screwed beond all belief - but she never kills anyone.
And Lupin tells Harry that if he's not willing to kill... - that must mean that the Order members can do it as well. So it all involves the idea that who every your trying to curse must die.
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I'm pretty sure that Barty Crouch Jr. was wrong. This is a real good theory. I have no more words, I think everyone covered this pretty well.
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Victor Crowley
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Personally, I think that the Adava Kedavra is totally over rated @.@ Sure it's unblockable and what not, but it's a single target spell which is avoidable.
I think FiendFyre and Expulso are much more effective spells 
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| Posted: August 12, 2007 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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^ yeah hes right
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| Posted: August 12, 2007 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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But they both have counter spells,
And the killing curse insn't quit unblockable (as both Harry and Dumbledore show) but there is no counter curse/charm. You can't be hit by Avade Kedavra and have any chance at comeing back to life - unless you have Horcrux's.
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Victor Crowley
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| Posted: August 12, 2007 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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The counter spell for FiendFyre is probably nearly as hard to use as FiendFyre is to control. The only one I know of that has blocked it was Dumbledore. He used some form of highly advanced magic. So... if you can't block FiendFyre, you're basically screwed, and so is everyone else including the caster if they are not experienced enough.
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| Posted: August 12, 2007 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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| The counter spell for FiendFyre is probably nearly as hard to use as FiendFyre is to control. The only one I know of that has blocked it was Dumbledore. He used some form of highly advanced magic. So... if you can't block FiendFyre, you're basically screwed, and so is everyone else including the caster if they are not experienced enough. |
Hence why Crabb died by his own spell - which I thought was very fitting.
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| Posted: August 12, 2007 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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he was a big dumb brute he should not have meddled with dark magic
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| Posted: August 13, 2007 7:22 am Post subject: |
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That is something we agree on, Crabb was big and stupid.
But part of the fault belongs to the Carrows for teaching someone Fiendfire, who didn't have the mental capacity to control or understand it.
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Victor Crowley
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Hmm, so what would be the counter to Expulso or Confringo? Finite?
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| Posted: August 13, 2007 8:01 am Post subject: |
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good question...there's got to be some kind of counter.
Slight change...I wonder if Obliderate (the memory charm) could effect a person's ability to cast those spells (because you can just obliderate parts of their minds not the whole things)
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Victor Crowley
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| Posted: August 13, 2007 9:20 am Post subject: |
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| Harry Loves Hermione wrote: |
good question...there's got to be some kind of counter.
Slight change...I wonder if Obliderate (the memory charm) could effect a person's ability to cast those spells (because you can just obliderate parts of their minds not the whole things) |
I was thinking Finite, no? negates spells.
not sure about the memory charm myself, though. Do you mean like wipe their knowledge of spells?.
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| Posted: August 13, 2007 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Harry Loves Hermione wrote: |
good question...there's got to be some kind of counter.
Slight change...I wonder if Obliderate (the memory charm) could effect a person's ability to cast those spells (because you can just obliderate parts of their minds not the whole things) |
I was thinking Finite, no? negates spells.
not sure about the memory charm myself, though. Do you mean like wipe their knowledge of spells?. |
no becasue you could relearn a spell, i mean wipe a section of their memory that could perform the spell. like basically turning a wizard into a muggle.
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Victor Crowley
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ooo, that sounds very scary :0
I would hope not, lolz... As far as I know, you can't.
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| Posted: August 21, 2007 9:48 am Post subject: |
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| anyone could peform the avada kedavra curse but as bellatrix sed in OOP you really have to mean it |
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I'm just wondering, why was it Crabbe that set off the FiendFyre, and not Goyle? What I mean is that, was there a difference of who had casted that? It's not like Rowling really described them that much, aside from the fact that they weren't very intelligent and were Draco's "best two friends", if you will.
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| Posted: August 21, 2007 1:43 pm Post subject: Re: The Avada Kedavra Curse ( a bit confused) |
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| New to the forum.... But I don't think you really have to be powerful because Bellatrix says that you have to mean them. And when Barty Crouch Jr. says he would only get a nosebleed, I think it's because the students would not have the strong desire to produce the curse. |
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| Posted: August 22, 2007 10:05 am Post subject: |
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yeah i dont think you have to be powerful, you just have to WANT to kill someone
like when harry tries to use the cruticus curse andbellatrix says "you have to mean it" (or something along thoselines) |
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| Posted: August 22, 2007 10:33 am Post subject: avada kedavra! |
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Think about Crabbe though. His dad's a Death Eater. His friend's fathers are Death Eaters. Chances are, during the summer vacation, he picked up a few tricks from his old man.
I believe the only reason Alasator mentioned the "nosebleed" is because as young fourth-years, they wouldn't know how to perform the curse correctly. |
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| Harry Loves Hermione wrote: |
| I think that's pretty close, but I think you also have to have no feeling and no remorse whatsoever for the people you kill. If you feel sorry about it, I don't think the spell would have much of an effect. |
It's almost like an evil-stopper - if one is in an enraged state of mind and wants to seriously hurt another being (but is deep down unsure of one's own actions, as it's a momentous feeling), then this half-heartedness would save | |
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