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Posts: 1409 · Posted: August 4, 2007 10:20 pm Post subject: That creepy baby...

Am I the only one who doesn't quite understand who that baby is???

Is it Voldermort? is it the Horcrux? What is it?
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I didn't quite understand it myself, but I think it was some form of Voldemort, maybe the part of him that had sealed itself inside Harry.

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Yes, it was Voldemort.

Remember, during the final confrontation, Harry says something like, "Try for some remorse, Riddle. I've seen what you become." Something to that effect.

It's what Voldemort will be when he dies; a helpless, pitiful creature that is in constant misery. And he did it to himself; he isn't sorry for all the murders he has committed, all the atrocities, so he cannot be helped.

At least that's how I understood it.

Posts: 1409 · Posted: August 5, 2007 10:04 am Post subject:

That's what I thought as well.

But if Harry was seeing the "future" why did he even try to change Voldermort, what would the point have been. He couldn't have saved him, could he?
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I don't think he was seeing the 'future' really. I think what Harry saw was the section of Riddle's soul that was contained within Harry. But Harry also knows that this is what Voldemort will become when he dies, as well, as the soul within Voldemort's body isn't any different than those within his Horcruxes; they're both evil and twisted and remorseless.
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Posts: 1409 · Posted: August 5, 2007 10:52 pm Post subject:

so why did Dumbledore not want him to touch the baby then, if it was already dead, then what was the danger?
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remember in gof when we see voldy for the first time in a solid form, he was discribed similarly to how the baby was. maybe when u create a horcrux and ur original body is destroyed, you start again in this new disgusting body. hence the fact that it is a baby
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I don't recall DD ever telling Harry not to touch it in the book, but I do remeber something about the baby and Harry asking DD what it was.

That was, I believe, the horcrux in Harry of Voldy and as stated above, that is how the Horcruxes start you out.
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Posts: 1409 · Posted: August 6, 2007 7:42 am Post subject:

I might be wrong about "touching" the baby.

But DD does say to leave the "dead" alone. But if the horcrux was dead why was the baby there with Harry, because Harry wasn't dead.
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Posts: 28374 · Posted: August 6, 2007 10:25 am Post subject:

i was expecting a vapormort form of voldemort's soul.. not a baby form... i never expected a fragment of a soul to be a baby... i always expected it to be some sort of vapor.... something which you cannot touch.... something thats not solid.
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Posts: 1409 · Posted: August 6, 2007 10:30 am Post subject:

^ that's kinda what all the other horcrux's are, vapor or atleast after they are destroyed they seem to turn to it.

So mnaybe the baby was a representation of what Voldemort really was, nothing but a child who wasn't getting his way.
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Posts: 28374 · Posted: August 6, 2007 10:34 am Post subject:

i dont understand the difference between when voldie should be vapormort or when he should have been babymort...
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It is not entirely clear whether that was the totality of Voldemort's soul, or just the shard that was attached to Harry, but I presume the latter. If the latter, than each shard that is left is similiar, and something similiar is all that Voldemort has left within himself.

It wasn't the future, at last that is fairly clear. While Harry wasn't dead, he was cetainly at a metaphorical, and possibly mental or spiritual way-station. In that transition point, it would seem that Dumbledore could meet him half-way even though Dumbledore was technically dead and Harry wasn't (it was Harry's "party", so he got to do the "invites"). Or perhaps it really was within Harry's head. Just enough ambiguity to keep you guessing.

Posts: 1409 · Posted: August 6, 2007 3:20 pm Post subject:

But Dumbledore says Harry has the obtion of - for a better lack of word - dieing. Harry can be done, he doesn't have to fight anymore. So that must mean that the little piece of Voldemort's soul wasn't dead either was it?
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Posts: 9589 · Posted: August 7, 2007 10:15 am Post subject:

maybe it was a baby because when harry became a horacrux he was a baby also... or... when a horacrux feels it is in danger it lashes out to save itself. maybe dd thought harry could be possessed by it or influenced by it.

as a side note when harry asked dd why he was at the station dd said something to the sort of everyone goes somewhere different and personal to them. so 1- i wonder why harry's subconscience chose the platform and 2- what the voldy child was seeing since it was different for each person. maybe he was under the seat because he was in a different situation, some sort of personal purgatory

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the mutilated baby represented the part of Vold's soul that was in Harry(horcrux)
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Posts: 118 · Posted: August 9, 2007 9:24 am Post subject:

yes, im pretty sure it is voldemort, that whole "iv'e seen what youve become" thing. i thought of it as wat voldemort was before goblet of fire in the graveyard
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Posts: 1409 · Posted: August 9, 2007 10:19 am Post subject:

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Harry wasn't really dead in my opinion. I think that awful babything was the same thing for Voldemort as Harry was. I think they were in a kind of limbo. No one that had been dead, besides Dumbledore, for any significant period of time was there. I think that Dumbledore stayed behind in this little almost-afterlife to explain everything to Harry when he finally learned the truth and died. Voldemort collapsed, too, remember? I think they were both there, but they were so different. Harry could not even recognize that horrible thing that was left of Voldemort's soul, and whether that thing recognized Harry, Dumbledore, or anything but its own pain, is in question. But yes, to me it was always clearly Voldemort. They both could have gotten on that train. Harry had to go back to, you know, save everybody and finish his life, and Voldemort had to go back because his will to live was too strong. He may not have even realized that he was dead in that little place, just gone for a moment, extreme pain, and back to good ole killin' wizards.

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