I know its a far fetch topic, but does anyone think that there is a way for Dumbledore to come back. I believe that in the next book, albus will communicate with Harry somehow. He will guide him. I am still reluctant to believe that he will be back in the flesh, but i know his spirit will guide Harry and the others
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we can't ignore that there is some connection between albus and harry but to see him comming back is unbelievable. It would make no sense and throw the books into a blackhole. i do agree that he will have some part in the final duel between harry and voldemort though. also harry might visit albus's home or office and find several notes or memorys about voldmort and the locations of the horcruxes
I think the theory of Dumbledore's return is pretty far-fetched because I think his death was planned, and that he had a reason for leaving Harry. But I do believe that Albus and Harry will have means of communication in the seventh book, at least through Dumbledore's portrait in what is now Minerva's headmistress office. If Harry does not return to school, I am sure there will also be some other clever way of communication between them. This I am sure of; J.K. never ceases to amaze me.[/b]
I agree with all of you and I really dont think Dumbledore is coming back. I think his death served a higher purpose,helping Harry and bringing him one step closer to defeating you-know-who. Its sad but I knew it had to happen:( *Cries* _________________
I don't think anybody like Dumbledore or Sirius will return in any way other than through photos and memories. The fact is, when someone dies, you don't get to see them again. Harry needed to lose all those layers of protection, his parents, his godfather, his mentor, and soon he will lose the protection that his aunt and uncle's house provides when he turns 17. Harry needs to be a man standing alone and unguarded in order to fulfill his destiny and take on Voldemort.
he won't be "alone and unguarded" thats part of the reason for losing all these people close to him. it creates a bond that never leaves you. alot of unexpected and unknown people will turn out to help harry. remember in the fifth book how dumbledore constantly talks about the wizarding world having to be united to defeat voldemort what if harry is the way of unifying them.
No I don't think Dumbledore will communicate with Harry, It'll be like Obi Wan Kenobi's spirit helping Luke Skywalker in Star Wars. J.K Rowling probably had his death planned. In the end Harry will have to take on Voldemort by himself.
I think Dumbledore, Sirius and Lily and James all died to save Harry (in one way or another) and they have thus helped him this far. But he's now 17, he's come of age, and he's considered a man. I honestly believe that he will take on LV by himself and through he own amazing means... _________________ *~*~ im so lost in a world i cannot join ~*~*
I think Dumbledore, Sirius and Lily and James all died to save Harry (in one way or another) and they have thus helped him this far. But he's now 17, he's come of age, and he's considered a man. I honestly believe that he will take on LV by himself and through he own amazing means...
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I dont think he will, at least not as a ghost. He was never afraid of death. "To th well-organized mind, death is nothing but the next great adventure"-book one.
But i don't, on the other hand, think he was planning to die. He pleaded with Snape, and even though its possible he was asking Snape to kill him, some how that's not very probable. _________________ If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.
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1. Dumbledore's Big Chill
I kinda tought that part was really confusing, and I think is my fault cuz i tend to rush the endings, wanting so badly to know what happens.
I agree that Dumbledore wanted Harry to be a witness, and not to interfere but Im not really sure how it all adds up to Dumbledore being not really gone.
2.Let's All Play Dead Together
It could be true, but at the same time it couldnt. I think, well i believe that Dumbledore had to be gone, or at least will be gone in the next book because Harry has to take center stage, it would be great if Dumbledore wasnt dead but I dont see if he will come back in the next book.
3.Revelation
I have the US version, but I dont see how it indicates that Dumbledore is not really dead, he was just trying to convice Draco, in the most rational way. I think that it would be logic to offer Malfoy a "presumed death" because it is the only way to hide him.
4.Fawkes doesn't try to save Dumbledore
I agree that it supports the theory that he planned to die all along.
5.Avada Kedavra
Good Point. Im so confused at this point i dont know what to say. Maybe Dumbledore death is different because he is one of the most powerful wizards? Are there fake spells,? I just dont think it was fake spell. Why would Dumbledore fake his death? If Snape was indeed evil and he used it, well there was enough hate then, if he wasnt then maybe he really wanted it because it helped him and dumbledore achieve something else.
6.Fawkes Lament
Good Point here too. Its all symbolism, so i really dont know how to elaborate on that.
7.Wand
Great Point! But snapping wands in two is what happens to all the wizards who die? We need to clear up that point because in that song it may just be symbolism.
8.No Body No Crime
Ill get back to you on that. I think i have to go now haha! My brain is going poof!
wow i couldn't disagree more with most of what pockets said
1:dumbledore knew there would be more than one deatheater there like voldemort would attack hogwarts with 1 person very unlikely.
2:How would dumbldore have switched his body and be able to still be alive in his weakened state without his wand.
3:Fawkes was called upon in CoS in the HBP he wasn't
4:Wrong again in the 4th book it says cedrics body was lying spreadeagle who just falls down in thespreadeagle position honostly.
5:Snape enjoys pain and death to a certain extent.
6:Phoenix tears have "healing powers" not the power to bring back the dead which dumbledore has mentioned previously is impossible the phoenix could be trying to bring him back but it won't work. mcgonagall probably knew what dumbledore had done.
7: the guy is dead it was probably buried with him and a wand chooses the wizard its not the wand that powerful but the wizard.
8:if someone is dead you usually try to show some respect and someone as important as dumbledore or remembered as strong as dumbledore they probably wouldn't want to disgrace him by showing him dead.
9:As to where the fire came from (hey they're wizards)
10:Maybe he was bringing back past memories to use avada kedavra.
You read to much into things keep it simple these books arent highschool college level they late elementry and middleschool.
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Those were 2 real good posts, pockets. I see that you've read the whole series cover 2 cover. I totally agree with U. I also realized that Voldie cursed the DADA job. Keep posting!
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I agree with you that we dont really know if Snape really fulfilled the vow and how an unbreakable vow really works. LOL I also agree about Umbridge's Portrait she must be in the closet somewhere!
About the memory, maybe he didnt want that memory to be lost, or broken into...
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by arranging the vow the way they did it put a blanket over it all. nacrissa simply said do what it takes to protect draco. and as we find out later in the book what his task was the only thing snape really had to do was to finish the task or make voldemort think it was finished as for my thought. i think dumbledore knew if he didn't finish it voldemort would know and kill the malfoys. and dumbledore knew draco would help harry in the future some how. so he wanted it finished.
2: i agree with the fact that she was acting as headmistress for a temporary time but the school didn't recognize her when it states: The office sealed itself against all but the rightfull headmaster.
3: maybe shes paying respects just from the fact that dumbledore probably saved her life.
4: i agree with you totally here I don't see how you would be able to prove it people should just phase it dumbledores dead it was a needed point in the book.
5: some people are facing way to much denile i have to agree with you here also.
To Pockets
Thanks for seeing outside the box. Your posts have been well written, well researched, and logically presented. I've just finished reading the book and have been so emotionally tied up in Dumbledore's death that I haven't looked at it from a different angle. Yes, all of your points are valid and the same evidence can be interpreted in a different way like you suggested. You are quite the sleuth! My only problem is the Portrait of Dumbledore in the Headmaster/Headmistress' office. Can Portraits of alive people talk? Dumbledore's portrait hasn't talked yet. We know pictures of alive and dead wizards move. But, it seems only the portraits actually talk. Does anyone know if portraits of alive Headmasters can talk? _________________ You're just jealous cause the voices only talk to me!
First, I agree that the unbreakable vow was too vague. Snape did keep Draco safe and when the vow was made they didn't exactly say what Draco was supposed to do. Thus Snape may have kept up his part of the Vow given Pocket's theory.
Second, Umbridge's portrait wouldn't have made it up into the Headmaster's office because she was never recognized as a true Headmistress of the school. Even the office locked her out. Agreed?
Third, I do not think Dumbledore's memory is of the significance that someone else is playing Dumbledore with Polyjuice potion. The significance of Dumbledore showing Harry that he put important memories into different bottles for safe keeping is showing Harry that he may have more memories stored for Harry to help him in his quest for the Horcruxs and the defeat of Voldemort. Did anyone else think of that? _________________ You're just jealous cause the voices only talk to me!
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