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While reading DH again, I wondered about this one in chapter 1:

Voldemort: "And this information comes - "
Snape: "From the source we discussed"

Maybe I'm a bit confused but who is that source???

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I forget. What was the information they were talking about?
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I've been wondering the same thing! Is the source suppossed to be Mundungus, and if so, why didn't he just say his name? Or is the source, Dumbledores portrait in the headmasters office?

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Ups, sorry.
It was about the date of Harry's departing from Privet Drive. Snape had to give Voldemort the right date in order to be trusted (Dumbledore said so at the end of DH). So he said he had the info from the source Voldemort and he discussed.
Maybe Snape just invented a person he could easily spy on, but who is that? I mean he had to give Voldemort a name.

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well it must have been someone in the order
so he could have just said anyone of them
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Posts: 28374 · Posted: August 25, 2007 6:15 pm Post subject:

but was voldemort that thick? to believe that snape would still be in contact with the order after he murdered dumbledore?

yeah im pretty suer he knows that draco didnt kill dumbledore, but severus did... he can do legilimency,and the other death eaters, such as the carrows and fenrir, would have told him that.
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Maybe Mundungus? It's definitely important, maybe JKR will tell it online in an interview.
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Posts: 3287 · Posted: August 25, 2007 8:16 pm Post subject:

i dont think it would be mundungus, because if you are voldy, would you believe mundungus would know when he is getting moved? i dont think it would be dumbledore, because there is no way for order members to communicate with him. also, its not anyone who works at the ministry either. if the teachers stay at school over the summer, i would think snape could mention hagrid, because he could say that after a couple of drinks he was flubbing it. i seriously dont have a clue though, wish JK would have told us.
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actually, my guess would be mundungus. who else in the order would be persuaded to betray harry??

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I agree, the source could only mean a member of the Order. Voldemort said: "The Auror Office will play no further part in the protection of Harry Potter. The Order believes that we have infiltrated the ministry". That means: Voldemort would only believe in a source directly from the order, so to say a phoenix member. But as halfbloodprincess said correctly, Voldemort cannot honestly believe Snape still be in contact to any of them as they know from Harry that he killed Dumbledore.

Mundungus was a member of the Order, maybe Snape told Voldemort, that he is dispensable but would be part of the operation to escort Harry. But that would still implicate an imperius curse to get the info from Mundungus.

But that's not really convincing...

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remember snape confunded mundugus its somewhere in the book but i know i read it
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After you see the memories of Snape, you can see that it was Mundungus. DD told Snape to use him as the "sorce" of this information because of his shady ways.
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@Lucy:
Maybe you didn't read it clearly enough. In the chapter "The Prince's Tale" Dumbledore tells Snape to use Mundungus to suggest the use of seven potters, that's not what we were talking about. We discussed the info about the date of Harry's departure from Privet Drive.
And where did you get the bit about his "shady ways"???

@jesseschambach11:
Mundungus was confunded to suggest the idea of the seven potters. The confundus charm is not useful to get information out of someone. That's what the Imperius Curse is for, among others... So I don't think that's proof for Mundungus being the "source".

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Snape could have told Voldy that Mundungus was on their side and was still in the Order so he wouldn't need to use the Imperius curse to get info.. Mundungus would just tell him. Its just the difference between what really happened and what Snape wanted Voldy to believe happened.
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@teacakes:
OK, but that would mean that Mundungus had to tell Snape he's changed sides, because it's unlikely that Snape had contact to the Order after DD death. I thought it more likely that Snape just told Voldemort he got the weak Mundungus under the Imperius Curse to get information about Potters departure date.
But you've got a point there, too.

@Lucy:
I still think Mundungus is the best candidate for the "source", his weakness you pointed out is a good reason for that. But I'm not sure that Voldemort knew about that.

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^ Not really, Voldy just had to think he'd changed sides, so he could have told Voldy a few things: he changed sides, he used the imperius curse, he used occlumency.. it doesn't matter just as long as Voldy believed it.
Also, he actually did have contact with Mundungus when he confunded him into using 7 Potters and claiming the idea as his own.

My little Summary of how things went down in my mind:

[Fact] Snape confunded Mundungus into using 7 Potters and claiming the idea as his own.
[Fact] The order didn't tell Mundungus who was going to be a Potter and who a protector so that if Mundungus was working for Voldy they'd still have a slight upper hand(which they did)
[Fact] After Snape killed DD no one would trust him unless they were also on Voldys side.
[Fact] The source would have to be someone in the order.

Assumed: Snape would tell Voldy someone was either on their side or he'd gotten a chance to use them.

I hope I haven't repeated myself too much.
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Posts: 2 · Posted: August 26, 2007 5:42 am Post subject:

ive always assumed it was dumbledores portrait, as voldy is too smart to believe snape could still be in contact with the order

my main reason for this is because all the portraits are forced to serve the current headmaster of hogwarts therefore dumbledore wouldve had to tell snape what he knew about harrys leaving privet drive (well, from voldemorts reasoning anyweays)

another option could be that he found plans lying around at grimmauld place, and he could go with the "tongue tying curse moody set up for me worked" thing and therefore could not name the place

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But how does DD (from Voldemorts point of view) could possibly know about the order's plan for the departure of Harry???
And I don't think the Order is stupid enough to forget some sort of plans lying around at Grimmauld Place, I mean they were aware of Snape, why else invite the curse against him???

I think teacake's summary does the job: the source is supposed to be someone from the Order, either Snape said to Voldemort he forced info out of someone or he said someone changed allegiance.

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the source is Dung.

this is according to what you see in Snape's memories.
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Did you actually read all our posts???

According to Snape's memories it is not clear that Dung is the source Snape and Voldemort discussed (about the date of Harry's departure). It's only said that he was confunded in order to pass on the idea of the seven potters.

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