I think the harry Potter series is good, but Im confused by one thing. The fact that everyone was so afraid of Voldemort. I mean, I know he knew alot of dark magic, but still anyone with a wand could kill him. Since Avada Kedavra is a killing curse, which at least most of the wizarding population know about, any adult wizard can kill him. Anyone could sneak up on him, or shoot him in the back with the Avada Kedavra curse and itd be over. Im talking about before he tried to kill Harry, and anyone knew he had HorCruxes. Im confused that everyone was so afraid of him (despite the fact that they didnt know he was invincible) when they all had the potential to kill him. Heres what could have happened -
Voldemort goes to Harrys house to kill him, but James is wearing an invisible cloak, and is hiding behind the door. Voldemort walks through the house, wondering were everyone is, and James shoots him in the back with Avada Kedavra.
Basically, Im confused about why everyone was so afraid of him, despite the fact that any adult wizard has the potential to kill him and could use stealth or cheap tactics to do it. Or since he has horcruxes, make him wait four more books, before getting revived.
It was the same reason Hitler lived as long as he did. And it's the same reason Osama is still alive.
First of all, they have (had) followers to protect them. Second of all, they were clever. They knew how to get people's attention and were able to evade death for as long as they wanted to.
Also, Voldemort caught James by surprise.
And knowing the Killing Curse isn't enough, you also have to be able to use it. Not many people who knew how to use it got close enough to kill him. _________________ Blame it on a simple twist of fate ~ Bob Dylan Team Cucumber, FTW!
you could say that with any story. why doens't somebody just off the villain? you could say that with any real life meanie. its just not as easy as it sounds. to kill him stealthily you'd have to know for sure where and when he was going to turn up. only his followers had that information. also james could not use the cloak because Dumbledore had it. _________________ They say home is where the heart is, so your real home's in your chest. --Captain Hammer
The reason why no one tried to kill off Uncle Mortie was because if they did then JK couldn't have written an eight book series and made more money than God. _________________
"The voices in my head are telling me to kill you"
It's the book that tells the story of Uncle Mortie and how Neville pulled the sword out of Trevor. _________________ Blame it on a simple twist of fate ~ Bob Dylan Team Cucumber, FTW!
His death eaters wouldn't kill him,and if they tried it wouldn't work because he had the Horcruxes.I think they knew he had them,but didn't know where all of them were.They wouldn't have been able to destroy the horcruxes because they wouldn't have known about the basislisk,and couldn't reach the gryffindor sword with Dumbledore watching it.Then it being switched with a fake and not being able to be used.And Voldemort could probably sense if some of his mediocre death eater's loyalty was wavering.
Other wizards or witches would have to go through all his death eaters to get to him by that time he would be gone.But first you would have to know where he is.And they probably have alarming/protecting wards that would go off then you would be captured then killed.He could apparate away or fly as we know he can.Or hear anybody sneaking up on him,or nagni could smell,see,or hear someone and alert him like she did to that muggle frank Bryce(I think that's his name).
Then that wizard/witch would have to destroy his horcruxes they couldn't get into the chamber of secrets,maybe they could get the sword but they wouldn't know where to go.The fact that he was slytherin's heir and Tom Riddle is not a well known fact to most.
I don't think it was even common knowledge that he had horcruxes so if they did reach him they would have to duel him.He was as powerful as Dumbledore,probably more so.His knowledge of magic was extended beyond the normal witchs/wizards of the wizarding world.Then he would probably summon his death eaters,then boom their dead.
Actually, my question was this, why did everyone fear Voldemort and overexaggerate his powers, and how invincible and dangerous he was, when almost all the grown wizards, had the power to kill him. My question is not why they didnt off the badguy......................Basically, why didn't traitors in his inner circle, like Snape, try to kill him, when they didnt know he had horcruxes, and they knew the curse that automatically KOs anybody.
I'm going to atempt to answer again if I don't get it right this time I'm sorry.
There were no other traitors in his inner circle besides Severus.His Death Eaters-Besides Regulas Black-all believed in what he was doing,they were dark wizards too.They would have gone to any lengths to 'purify' the wizarding world.(dark witch in Bella's case)
Maybe witch's wizards did attempt to kill him but failed,J.k never said "No-one ever tried to Kill Voldemort."-or that I know of.
And it wasn't just rumors that made people scared of him,they had good reasons to be.He did unspeakable things to wizards,witchs,and muggles.
No one knew who to trust and not.Or if anyone was under the imperious curse.People being kidnapped left and right,never to be found again.And you could have been next,didn't have to have to have a reason.If you were in the wrong place,wrong time you were dead and just had to hope it would be a fast death.
Not to mention if someone joined the Order of the Phoenix to fight back,their family was a prime target.
We all know that theres no difference between Avada Kedavras, so even if some other grown wizard did it on him, the same thing that happened when his backfired, probably would have happened, only difference is that when young wizards use it, its not that strong, only strong enough to give, Mad Eye Moody a bloody nose, thats exactly what he said. But, the number of grown wizards who were against Voldemort, easily outnumbers the people on Voldemorts side. So, basically Im saying, that we know that any wizard can do the Avada Kedavra. Thats why Mad Eye said if the students did it on him, hed only get a bloody nose................................So if you think about how many wizards there probably are, compared with howmany Death Eaters that Voldemort has, and think about the fact that all the people are armed with an automatic killing curse, why would everyone be so afraid Voldemort and his Death Eaters............................Think of the situation like this, theres a gang called the Death Eaters going around the world with guns terrorizing people, there aren't enough police to stop them, so they rise to power, and everyone fears them, despite the fact that everyone carries a gun also, whats stopping everyone from ganging up on them
Im using guns to symbolize a wand, because guns can be a one shot kill, and using the Avada Kedavra, wands can be a one shot kill too
We all know that theres no difference between Avada Kedavras, so even if some other grown wizard did it on him, the same thing that happened when his backfired, probably would have happened, only difference is that when young wizards use it, its not that strong, only strong enough to give, Mad Eye Moody a bloody nose, thats exactly what he said. But, the number of grown wizards who were against Voldemort, easily outnumbers the people on Voldemorts side. So, basically Im saying, that we know that any wizard can do the Avada Kedavra. Thats why Mad Eye said if the students did it on him, hed only get a bloody nose................................So if you think about how many wizards there probably are, compared with howmany Death Eaters that Voldemort has, and think about the fact that all the people are armed with an automatic killing curse, why would everyone be so afraid Voldemort and his Death Eaters............................Think of the situation like this, theres a gang called the Death Eaters going around the world with guns terrorizing people, there aren't enough police to stop them, so they rise to power, and everyone fears them, despite the fact that everyone carries a gun also, whats stopping everyone from ganging up on them
Im using guns to symbolize a wand, because guns can be a one shot kill, and using the Avada Kedavra, wands can be a one shot kill too
Scroll back up and read my post. Killing him sounds easier than it is.
DD stated very clearly that the first time Voldemort was in power they were taken by surprise and the Order was outnumbered.
The second time Voldemort was in power, none of the good guys could even find him. By the time Fudge was like, ugh, I guess he is back, Voldemort had himself surrounded by his fiollowers. The whole Ministry was infiltrated and was completely corrupt.
Now, I know it sounds easy to just AK the bad guy... but obviously it isn't. Again, take Osama for example. The guy was on a dialysis machine for goodness sakes and the whole world, except for his followers, can't find him. So, obviously it's not that far-fetched that Voldemort went so long unkilled. _________________ Blame it on a simple twist of fate ~ Bob Dylan Team Cucumber, FTW!
wasn't this question answered in HBP? the PM asks scrimgeor why they can't just use magic and make the bad guys disapear, and scrimgeor says it's because the other side has magic too.
so basically even though any wizard could use avada kedavra, that doesn't mean any wizard could kill voldemort.
first of all, they'd have to be able to use it effectivly, which not many people cn do.
then there's the fact that the other side has magic too. voldy is one of the most powerful wizards in the world, so he might have killed you by the time you've remembered you can use the curse. _________________
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Ok, probably a very stupid 'what-if' here. What if someone had decapitated him? He'd still have the horcruxes and all but still - no head. They knew he could be destroyed to the point that he had no body anymore. Why not do something that would incapacitate him while the horcruxes were being found? _________________ I don't have a lot of experience with vampires, but I have hunted werewolves. I shot one once. But by the time I got to it, it had turned back into my neighbor's dog. ~ Dwight Schrute
Ok, probably a very stupid 'what-if' here. What if someone had decapitated him? He'd still have the horcruxes and all but still - no head. They knew he could be destroyed to the point that he had no body anymore. Why not do something that would incapacitate him while the horcruxes were being found?
Who should decapitate him? Harry? He couldn't risk facing Voldemort, let alone facing him to decapitate him, until the Horcruxes were destroyed. Furthermore, Voldemort was without a body for many years, but Wormtail restored him. There would always be some loyal death eater who'd be willing to fight for his body. _________________ Blame it on a simple twist of fate ~ Bob Dylan Team Cucumber, FTW!
wormtail restored him out of fear. but he wasnt loyal and not exactly willing to risk everything for a master he believed to be dead.
only bellatrix would have restored voldie, but she was in azkaban herself. so that explains why it took voldie ages to get a body.
as for the avada kedavra, voldemort never really shows himself. its his death eaters who do the work. theyre the ones walking up to people and bribing them. i imagine that only when he can trust you is he gonna show himself to you. thats why there is the inner circle of death eaters comprising of bellatrix and lucius, snape, yaxley, dolohov, rowle, draco, and a weak wormtail. and voldie makes himself unplottable, so its kinda impossible to sneak up on him unless you know exactly where he is. _________________
Who should decapitate him? Harry? He couldn't risk facing Voldemort, let alone facing him to decapitate him, until the Horcruxes were destroyed. Furthermore, Voldemort was without a body for many years, but Wormtail restored him. There would always be some loyal death eater who'd be willing to fight for his body
I wasn't implying anyone in particular as being the one to do it, just a silly hypothetical question. You'd think that if they could destroy his physical body (behead him, blow him up, etc.), it would keep him from doing much to stop anyone from finding the horcruxes (it took him years to get a physical body back the first time), and it would probably shake up the DE too. It would also have ruined the entire flow of the story so, on that level, that's why they didn't do it. _________________ I don't have a lot of experience with vampires, but I have hunted werewolves. I shot one once. But by the time I got to it, it had turned back into my neighbor's dog. ~ Dwight Schrute
Not many people who knew how to use it got close enough to kill him.
I think she meant to also add that not many people who wanted to kill him AND got close enough to kill him could. Cause the death eaters got close to him and could kill him, but they didn't want to either through fear or genuinely liking the guy.
The rest of what she said was spot on though. Tons of people had guns, and could surely kill Hitler, but ultimately no one did. Hitler killed himself on his own terms. Fear is a powerful weapon, which Voldy definitely utilized.
yall are getting offtopic, but yall still haven't actually answered my question, or realized what im saying
1. Lolzinja, who says not many people can use Avada Kedavra effectively, I mean, its seems basically like if you know the words and how to enunciate them, you can do it...for example, Harry did the crucio curse on Bellatrix that one time, he did it right, but he wasn't doing it to hurt her, so it didnt hurt as much as it should, other than that, the only time prior he was shown how to do it, was a year ago in Mad Eyes class, in one lesson, so if after one lesson he can do the curse a year later, I think that shows how easy it is to use unforgiveable curses, no training involved. ESpecially since he did the curse right, but as the author has showed harry is much too nice, always using expelliarmus, for the curse to hurt as much as it would normally. So yes, ANY wizard, any grown wizard, could have killed Voldemort before the first book.
2. Ginny X, Im not talking about why they didnt just kill him, Im talking about why they exaggerated how invincible he was and why they were all so scared of him, The only reason that Voldemort and his Death Eaters rose to power, is because everyone feared them, but my point is that they shouldn't fear him, because any grown wizard has the potential, to kill Voldemort, or any of his Death Eaters, so if his Death Eaters comes terrorizing your family, you just move in with another family or 3 and if they come a knocking, you just Avada Kedavra them, if you group up with enough people you won't be outnumbered, so you should be able to win. Probably why Voldemort wanted to be immortal in the first place, cuz he probably knew that any half-way competent adult wizard with a wand, could possibly get lucky and kill him.
Now, I will state my question that yall haven't been answering, King818 has the right idea, Fear is a very powerful weapon that Voldemort utilized, why did everyone fear Voldemort and his Death Eaters, when all the grown wizards are just as dangerous as him? Why did everyone let themselves get pushed around by his Death Eaters(and him) when there all as dangerous/deadly as them, and all they had to do was gang up with their other friends, and if they had a big group, they have the advantage over the Death Eaters............................For yall who still don't understand what im saying, lets say that we all lived in a world of magic and wands, and Voldemort. His Death Eaters come knocking at my door, and they threaten me if I don't give them money or information. I apparate away. I have a huge family, and I tell all of them, "hey some Death Eaters threatened me", they move into my house, and hideout. All the Death Eaters come back, they start torturing me, my family jumps out, all the adults AVada Kedavra the Death Eaters, their dead, Voldemort just lost a chunk of his army, Death Eaters come to investigate, torture me for information on what happened to the other Death Eaters, family jumps out, and Avada Kedavras all of them. Eventually, Voldemort himself comes, we put some anti-apparate spell so he flies through the door. My family sneaks out of different hiding places, AVADA KEDAVRA, he tries to dodge all of them, but their too many. Voldemorts loses his body, and has to wait 4 books before he can return. THE END.
If it was real life, wouldn't it happen sorta like that. Isn't that what you'd do.
2. Ginny X, Im not talking about why they didnt just kill him, Im talking about why they exaggerated how invincible he was and why they were all so scared of him, The only reason that Voldemort and his Death Eaters rose to power, is because everyone feared them, but my point is that they shouldn't fear him, because any grown wizard has the potential, to kill Voldemort, or any of his Death Eaters, so if his Death Eaters comes terrorizing your family, you just move in with another family or 3 and if they come a knocking, you just Avada Kedavra them, if you group up with enough people you won't be outnumbered, so you should be able to win. Probably why Voldemort wanted to be immortal in the first place, cuz he probably knew that any half-way competent adult wizard with a wand, could possibly get lucky and kill him.
Now, I will state my question that yall haven't been answering, King818 has the right idea, Fear is a very powerful weapon that Voldemort utilized, why did everyone fear Voldemort and his Death Eaters, when all the grown wizards are just as dangerous as him? Why did everyone let themselves get pushed around by his Death Eaters(and him) when there all as dangerous/deadly as them, and all they had to do was gang up with their other friends, and if they had a big group, they have the advantage over the Death Eaters............................For yall who still don't understand what im saying, lets say that we all lived in a world of magic and wands, and Voldemort. His Death Eaters come knocking at my door, and they threaten me if I don't give them money or information. I apparate away. I have a huge family, and I tell all of them, "hey some Death Eaters threatened me", they move into my house, and hideout. All the Death Eaters come back, they start torturing me, my family jumps out, all the adults AVada Kedavra the Death Eaters, their dead, Voldemort just lost a chunk of his army, Death Eaters come to investigate, torture me for information on what happened to the other Death Eaters, family jumps out, and Avada Kedavras all of them. Eventually, Voldemort himself comes, we put some anti-apparate spell so he flies through the door. My family sneaks out of different hiding places, AVADA KEDAVRA, he tries to dodge all of them, but their too many. Voldemorts loses his body, and has to wait 4 books before he can return. THE END.
If it was real life, wouldn't it happen sorta like that. Isn't that what you'd do.
You didn't even bother to read my posts so why should I bother reading yours? Go kill Osama Bin Laden. Then get back to me, ok? Ask yourself why it took so long to take down the Nazis. And ask yourself why they were unable to kill Hitler. Go read about the mythology of Rasputin and study up on Nero. Then, post back here. Those are some of the leaders JKR based Voldemort off of. Go learn some history of wars and other past dictators and rulers, then come back and attempt to debate. Otherwise, stop arguing with an unloaded weapon. Thanks. _________________ Blame it on a simple twist of fate ~ Bob Dylan Team Cucumber, FTW!
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I wasn't implying anyone in particular as being the one to do it, just a silly hypothetical question. You'd think that if they could destroy his physical body (behead him, blow him up, etc.), it would keep him from doing much to stop anyone from finding the horcruxes (it took him years to get a physical body back the first time), and it would probably shake up the DE too. It would also have ruined the entire flow of the story so, on that level, that's why they didn't do it.