I personally think that people can believe $cientology's practices and have freedom of religion, but the organizatoin hurts people and does other really bad stuff and gets away with it.
I have actually been to many protests as a member of Anonymous.
Welcome to the skidmark of human society - religion. I find it extremely ironic that while other religions, specifically Christianity, have done things like genocide time and time again throughout history, they think a scam for money is such a big deal. I'm against attrocities in the name of any god. _________________
Welcome to the skidmark of human society - religion. I find it extremely ironic that while other religions, specifically Christianity, have done things like genocide time and time again throughout history, they think a scam for money is such a big deal. I'm against attrocities in the name of any god.
I agree completly. _________________
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I hate it when they tell us how far we came to be as if our peoples history started with slavery
did you know that theres a day for protesting scientology. yeah on that day i went out in the middle of the night and posted a whole bunch of tom cruise pics with bad facts about him and this religion... the cops were pissed. but i was dressed like a ninja they will never know. _________________
I dont belive any religion should do that either, but i dont think it should happen again. Some terrorists are killing in the name of Islam, but the Church of Islam isn't telling them to kill people. $cientology is telling some of their members that they can "trick,sue,lie to,or destroy" any critic of their religion. _________________ Xenu.net
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Like Shawn Lonsdale. ]: Scientologists tarnished his name and harassed him constantly, by posting fliers about him around his town, and even assaulting him. He committed suicide in February. Google him and check it out. It's really sad. _________________
...the Church of Islam isn't telling them to kill people.
A very small amount of research would quickly disprove that. Throwing in the fact that the world is involved in a modern day holy-war between Christianity and Islam, I'd say that religious dogma, intolerance, violence, and other forms of bull aren't anywhere near over, even excluding Scientology. _________________
L. Ron Hubbard was a science fiction writer.
He had a bet with someone that he could start a religion and have it stick. _________________
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first time i heard it i kinda laughed.
second time i was like o crap this is gonna be a hit, i'm going to hear it waaay too much and get so sick of it.
third time i turned the radio off.
...the Church of Islam isn't telling them to kill people.
A very small amount of research would quickly disprove that. Throwing in the fact that the world is involved in a modern day holy-war between Christianity and Islam, I'd say that religious dogma, intolerance, violence, and other forms of bull aren't anywhere near over, even excluding Scientology.
I know but I dont think Mohammed would say "blow yourself up" _________________ Xenu.net
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...the Church of Islam isn't telling them to kill people.
A very small amount of research would quickly disprove that. Throwing in the fact that the world is involved in a modern day holy-war between Christianity and Islam, I'd say that religious dogma, intolerance, violence, and other forms of bull aren't anywhere near over, even excluding Scientology.
I know but I dont think Mohammed would say "blow yourself up"
No, but he'd probably agree with the persecution of other religions' members, as would Jesus. _________________
Actually, neither of them would probably agree to persecuting other religions. From what I understand and have read, Islam is a peaceful religion. As could be Christianity. The problem is that any belief system can be twisted and misrepresented to suit the needs of people in charge, which is unfortunate. _________________ I don't have a lot of experience with vampires, but I have hunted werewolves. I shot one once. But by the time I got to it, it had turned back into my neighbor's dog. ~ Dwight Schrute
Actually, neither of them would probably agree to persecuting other religions. From what I understand and have read, Islam is a peaceful religion. As could be Christianity. The problem is that any belief system can be twisted and misrepresented to suit the needs of people in charge, which is unfortunate.
I'm not familiar with Islam, but Jesus is far from peaceful. I'm pretty sure the bible says that if someone disagrees with your religion you stone them to death? I'm not sure on the exact line, I'm sure it could be confirmed by google easily. _________________
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Actually, neither of them would probably agree to persecuting other religions. From what I understand and have read, Islam is a peaceful religion. As could be Christianity. The problem is that any belief system can be twisted and misrepresented to suit the needs of people in charge, which is unfortunate.
I'm not familiar with Islam, but Jesus is far from peaceful. I'm pretty sure the bible says that if someone disagrees with your religion you stone them to death? I'm not sure on the exact line, I'm sure it could be confirmed by google easily.
I thought "God" was the one with the almighty wrath, not Jesus. _________________ Peace is a lie. There is only passion.
Through Passion, I gain strength.
Through Strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory my chains are broken.
The only stoning I can think of is 'stone the adulterous woman' or something like that, though I'm sure there's more. Most of the stoning and smiting is Old Testament I think. _________________ I don't have a lot of experience with vampires, but I have hunted werewolves. I shot one once. But by the time I got to it, it had turned back into my neighbor's dog. ~ Dwight Schrute
Actually, neither of them would probably agree to persecuting other religions. From what I understand and have read, Islam is a peaceful religion. As could be Christianity. The problem is that any belief system can be twisted and misrepresented to suit the needs of people in charge, which is unfortunate.
I'm not familiar with Islam, but Jesus is far from peaceful. I'm pretty sure the bible says that if someone disagrees with your religion you stone them to death? I'm not sure on the exact line, I'm sure it could be confirmed by google easily.
I thought "God" was the one with the almighty wrath, not Jesus.
Does it matter, I was just making the point any religion is the opposite of peaceful.
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The only stoning I can think of is 'stone the adulterous woman' or something like that, though I'm sure there's more. Most of the stoning and smiting is Old Testament I think.
I know stoning is the solution to many problems in the bible, it doesn't matter new or old testament, it's still considered the work of god. _________________
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Actually, neither of them would probably agree to persecuting other religions. From what I understand and have read, Islam is a peaceful religion. As could be Christianity. The problem is that any belief system can be twisted and misrepresented to suit the needs of people in charge, which is unfortunate.
I'm not familiar with Islam, but Jesus is far from peaceful. I'm pretty sure the bible says that if someone disagrees with your religion you stone them to death? I'm not sure on the exact line, I'm sure it could be confirmed by google easily.
I thought "God" was the one with the almighty wrath, not Jesus.
Does it matter, I was just making the point any religion is the opposite of peaceful.
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The only stoning I can think of is 'stone the adulterous woman' or something like that, though I'm sure there's more. Most of the stoning and smiting is Old Testament I think.
I know stoning is the solution to many problems in the bible, it doesn't matter new or old testament, it's still considered the work of god.
It's considered the work of God from men who wrote it. From men who fear and reject other religions. from men who manipulate. Can you really blame God for peoples mistakes ? _________________ Peace is a lie. There is only passion.
Through Passion, I gain strength.
Through Strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory my chains are broken.
Actually, neither of them would probably agree to persecuting other religions. From what I understand and have read, Islam is a peaceful religion. As could be Christianity. The problem is that any belief system can be twisted and misrepresented to suit the needs of people in charge, which is unfortunate.
Funny. You've got it all wrong - both Jesus and Mohommad, as depicted by their holy books, are horribly malicious characters, and it's only their self-righteous followers who claim that they are 'good,' or 'peaceful,' of anything like that at all.
Jesus:
(Matthew 10:34) Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
(Matthew 12:30) He that is not with me is against me
And best yet:
(Galatians 1:8 ) But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Can you get more intolerant? I guess only if you're looking at the old testament. The funny thing is that this took me about three minutes to compile by flipping through a few pages of my bible. If I had a koran, I assure you I could easily find the same intolerant ramblings that I've seen scattered throughout the bible. To claim that these documents and the characters they depict are 'peaceful' is laughable - every other page of the old testament includes something about stoning non-christians, and every other page of the new testament talks about burning non-christians. Keep in mind that Jesus promoted a peaceful 'turn the other cheek' policy, but that policy was towards other christians. He had nothing against torturing, murdering, or going to war with non-christians just for their disbelief in his divinity. _________________
From information I've had from more liberal Muslims, there are passages in the Koran which say that nobody is 'damned' for not belonging to that religion. It was something to the effect that if they have faith it's good enough. But again, that was a quite liberal subset of the religion.
I know there are some decidedly non-peaceful and intolerant things in the Bible. Some of it is a product of the time period it was written in, and some is a product of the translations and interpretations it's gone through. The one example I can think of is some of the information on the evolution of the "thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" passage. (http://www.draknet.com/proteus/Suffer.htm). That's one of my main problems with trying to base one's life completely on a religious text, and especially to take it literally. Not only was it written from the point of view of a vastly different time period and culture from what exists now, but most versions that people are reading have been edited and translated through time to better suit other peoples' needs. _________________ I don't have a lot of experience with vampires, but I have hunted werewolves. I shot one once. But by the time I got to it, it had turned back into my neighbor's dog. ~ Dwight Schrute
From information I've had from more liberal Muslims, there are passages in the Koran which say that nobody is 'damned' for not belonging to that religion. It was something to the effect that if they have faith it's good enough. But again, that was a quite liberal subset of the religion.
I know there are some decidedly non-peaceful and intolerant things in the Bible. Some of it is a product of the time period it was written in, and some is a product of the translations and interpretations it's gone through. The one example I can think of is some of the information on the evolution of the "thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" passage. (http://www.draknet.com/proteus/Suffer.htm). That's one of my main problems with trying to base one's life completely on a religious text, and especially to take it literally. Not only was it written from the point of view of a vastly different time period and culture from what exists now, but most versions that people are reading have been edited and translated through time to better suit other peoples' needs.
Well in either case, I think we've sidestepped the point. There are people in the world today who go around doing intolerant and violent things in the name of their god, be it Jesus, Mohhomad, or L. Ron Hubbard. To specifically attack an organization as small as scientology is, in my view, pointless if the entirety of religious dogma and intolerance is not criticized. _________________
i jut thinkl religion is a pretty bad thing, but if you leave a catholic church theyll be like "i hope you find a religion right 4 u" [thats wat they said to me], not "we hate you, we'll harass you for the rest of your life till you rejoin". _________________ Xenu.net
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i jut thinkl religion is a pretty bad thing, but if you leave a catholic church theyll be like "i hope you find a religion right 4 u" [thats wat they said to me], not "we hate you, we'll harass you for the rest of your life till you rejoin".
Clearly you haven't seen some of the churches I have. I live right next to a Catholic church who did just that to a friend of mine who left, until he threatened to take legal action. _________________
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