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PostPosted: January 25, 2008 3:55 pm    Post subject: Foreshadowing Reply with quote

Page 20 of the UK edition: "The darkness pressed on his eyes like a weightless veil." This looks like foreshadowing Sirius's death to me!

Sirius tells Harry, Ron and Hermione to call him "Snuffles." To snuff it means to die, foreshadowing the death of Sirius.

Harry, Ron, and Hermione talk about Dumbledore's arm and Hermione says, "It looks dead."

Book 7:

As Professor Trelawney tells us in Book 6(or 3, i forget), whenever 13 people gather, the first to leave the group will be the first to die. In chapter 5, 13 of the survivors of Voldemort's attack (Harry, Ron, Hermione, Mr. and Mrs. Weasley, Fred, George, Bill, Fleur, Ginny, Hagrid, Tonks, and Lupin) all drink firewhiskey together. Lupin is both the first to finish his glass (he had "drained his glass in one") and the first to leave the gathering (to look for Mad-Eye's body).

Harry thinks that he "seemed set on course to become just as reckless a godfather to Teddy Lupin as Sirius Black had been to him" on page 418 of the UK Edition. This could foreshadow the deaths of Tonks and Lupin, as this would put their son, Teddy in the same situation, in regards to upbringing, as Harry found himself in.
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PostPosted: January 25, 2008 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a whole thing on mugglenet about this that would probably interest you...

Spoiler:

On page 60 of the American edition of OOTP, just as they enter number twelve Grimmauld Place, it says "The other's hushed voices were giving Harry an odd feeling of foreboding; it was as though they had just entered the house of a dying man."


On Harry's first night at Grimmauld Place, the entire house sits down to dinner. In total, thirteen of them eat together. According to Trelawney in POA, when thirteen people dine together, the first one to rise is the first to die. No prizes for guessing who rises first here: "Sirius started to rise from his chair." NOTE: This is arguable as Ginny is not sitting at the table at the time, but she may be counted as "being" in the room and eating with the others, thus it can still count as foreshadowing.


Sirius' house is number twelve, Grimmauld place. The Grim is a sign that death is coming. -Thanks Kristin


When Fred and George were levitating dinner onto the table at 12 Grimmauld Place, they lost control of one of the knives. It dropped and embedded itself into the table right very near Sirius. This could be foreshadowing Sirius' death.


On page 462 of the UK version, it says "Harry had an unpleasant constricted sensation in his chest; he did not want to say goodbye to Sirius. He had a bad feeling about this parting; he didn't know when they would next see each other." This speaks for itself; the part about them never seeing each other again was true in the end.


A lot of people say that Sirius' Animagus form (big, black, shaggy dog) is uncannily similar to the Grim and so his death was coming from when we first met him in POA.


In Chapter 9, Sirius says, "It's a matter of time before Voldemort moves into the open; once he does, the whole Ministry's going to be begging us to forgive them. And I'm not sure I'll be accepting their apology." Why? Because he's dead by then. -Thanks LizzyBeth.


In Book 1, Chapter 15, when Hagrid, Harry and Hermione run into the Centaurs, Ronan makes the pronouncement, "Always the innocent are the first victims." Everyone thought Sirius was guilty, but he turned out to be innocent.


On page 477 of the American edition of OOTP, Sirius says, "This is how it is-- this is why you're not in the Order-- you don't understand -- there are things worth dying for!"


In St. Mungo’s, when they are going to visit Mr. Weasley- 'They climbed a flight of stairs and entered the "Creature-Induced Injuries" corridor, where the second door on the right bore the words 'DANGEROUS' DAI LLEWELLYN WARD: SERIOUS BITES.' If you put these words on a sign, they would read:

Creature-Induced Injuries
Dangerous
Dai Llewellyn Ward
Serious Bites

Take the first word of each of these and what do you get get? Creature Dangerous Dai Serious? No - Kreacher dangerous, Die Sirius...


In the American book, the first page shows the book title and an illustration. There is a picture of Sirius' Animagus form leaving 12 Grimmauld place. It shows that Sirius would be leaving something; in this case, it was life. -Thanks Elz P


Page 20 of the UK edition: "The darkness pressed on his eyes like a weightless veil." This looks like foreshadowing to me! -Thanks Adam


Sirius tells Harry, Ron and Hermione to call him "Snuffles." To snuff it means to die, foreshadowing the death of Sirius.


On page 741 of the American version, about in the middle of the page, Kreacher says, "Master will not come back from the Department of Mysteries!" he said gleefully. "Kreacher and his Mistress are alone again!" He meant this literally. -Thanks Jess


On page 75 of the American version, Molly Weasley says: "The meeting's over, you can come down and have dinner now, everyone's dying to see you, Harry." This is very unlikely to be a death clue, but I thought I'd mention it all the same. -Thanks Sila


On page 773 of the American version: Harry goes up to the archway and the veil in the Department of Mysteries. He gets up to the archway and calls for Sirius, possibly foreshadowing Sirius's death by calling for him at the place of it. -Thanks Eli

http://www.mugglenet.com/books/deathclues5.shtml


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PostPosted: January 25, 2008 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh thanks, nice!
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PostPosted: January 25, 2008 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, I noticed a couple things that forshadow in this book, myself. I wanted to post them, but I didn't think it was worth a whole new thread, so I will just put them in here. I never notice anything, so I just have two that I noticed in OotP. They are for future books, though, so I'll put them in a spoiler.

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Tha first one seems like forshadowing of Hedwig's death. On page 43, he said that Hedwig sowared through the window 'with a soft rustle of wings like a small ghost." Poor Hedwig. Crying



Spoiler:

This second on eis obvious to any one who has read that future books. On page 179 on the first page of the Luna Lovegood chapter, he dream that Mrs. Weasley sobbed over kreacher's dead body watched by Ron and Hermione who were both wearing crowns. This one foreshadows the "Weasley is our king," and the fact that Hermione and Ron end up together."



OK . . . THose probably aren't even good, but I was proud of myeslf for being perceptive.[/spoiler]
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PostPosted: January 26, 2008 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The second is really good.
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PostPosted: February 17, 2008 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

there all very good!
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PostPosted: February 17, 2008 11:57 am    Post subject: Re: Foreshadowing Reply with quote

Boggart - wrote:
As Professor Trelawney tells us in Book 6(or 3, i forget), whenever 13 people gather, the first to leave the group will be the first to die. In chapter 5, 13 of the survivors of Voldemort's attack (Harry, Ron, Hermione, Mr. and Mrs. Weasley, Fred, George, Bill, Fleur, Ginny, Hagrid, Tonks, and Lupin) all drink firewhiskey together. Lupin is both the first to finish his glass (he had "drained his glass in one") and the first to leave the gathering (to look for Mad-Eye's body).


Didn't Fred die before Lupin?

btw, another hint (from CoS): when discussing Tom Riddles award for services to the school, Ron suggests the reason being: "Maybe he murdered Myrtle; that would've done everyone a favor...", turns out he really did murder Myrtle.
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