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Posts: 28287 · Posted: April 18, 2007 4:16 am Post subject: Two Lives May be Saved...

right dumbledore said to harry and hermione that they needed extra time. three turns. then he said that if all goes well, they may save more than just one life. well it sounds like buckbeak's life to us, but he could also have meant saving harry from the dementors. i mean, harry went back in time to save himeself and sirius from the dementor's kiss.

so when dd said, "save two lives", he may have meant harry and sirius, not sirius and buckbeak.

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I don't think so. He was talking about Sirius and Buckbeak.
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yep harry had to survive because he was able to use the time turner.... does that make sense to you??

i know what i mean
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I also understand what you mean.
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Me too!

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Posts: 28287 · Posted: April 23, 2007 7:23 am Post subject:

well yeah, initialy i thought of buckbeak, but maybe dumbledore was aware that buckbeak was gonna go free anyway. he said, "search the skies" to fudge and macnair, because he might have had an ida that buckbeak was walking towards the forest

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Well, the reason Buckbeak went free was because Harry saved his life. So the two lives are Buckbeak and Sirius.
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Posts: 28287 · Posted: May 12, 2007 1:57 pm Post subject:

yeah, but the reason that buckbeak is alive in the first place is because harry went back in time to save himself, which then enables him to save buckbeak.
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I know what you mean, but harry was only in danger when he went back in time so.... He was prolly talking about Buckbeak.

Posts: 28287 · Posted: June 3, 2007 3:22 am Post subject:

i dunno...
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Posts: 25871 · Posted: June 30, 2007 10:57 am Post subject:

Harry couldn't have died the first time around because... well if he was dead, then how was he still alive in the hospital ward.

He manages to save himself with the patronus.

The first time around Harry is saved by a patronus, as is Sirius.

But Buckbeak gets the ax.
And Sirius is about the be fed to the dementors, thus ending his life by sucking out his soul.

The second time around Harry and hermione save Buckbeak and manage to get Sirius to safety. Thus, saving both Buckbeak and Sirius. Technically Harry did save himself, but he lives either way, both in the first time and the seocnd time.
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Posts: 28287 · Posted: June 30, 2007 12:09 pm Post subject:

i dunno... but it was more important that he went back in time to save himself.

OH! I GET IT!

two lives may be saved...

if harry was going to turn back time, eventually it was to get sirius out of the tower. but if everything went right, and additional two lives may be saved - his and buckbeak's. if everything went wrong, then no life would be saved. if events just turned out partially ok, then buckbeak would be dead, but he and sirius would be alive.
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Posts: 472 · Posted: July 3, 2007 2:09 pm Post subject:

How did it mean Harry and Buckbeak? Harry would have been alive, because he was using the time-turner.. He was saving Sirius and Buckbeak.
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Posts: 16875 · Posted: July 3, 2007 3:07 pm Post subject:

time travel makes my head hurt...but I think that there was no 'first time" it was all ONE time, just experienced through two different points of view. JK was very careful to make sure everything matched up. The trio never saw Buckbeak get beheaded, they just heard the axe thudding...INTO THE PUMPKIN. However this view confuses me about who was to be saved...DD said more than one life though...not two. He could have meant 3, Harry Sirius and Buckbeak.
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Posts: 28287 · Posted: July 3, 2007 7:14 pm Post subject:

good point arabella.

er, read the previous posts essenceofphlegm to get the gist...
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Posts: 3348 · Posted: July 8, 2007 5:31 am Post subject:

it makes sense to me that he ment save harry/sirius but i think he ment sirius/buckbeak
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I think he was talking about Sirius and Buckbeak. Harry and Hermione needed Buckbeak to get to the window of the room Sirius was in, and Sirius needed him to escape.

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you have to take into account the fact that dementors do not kill per say. they remove souls but do not damage the physical body. harry would not, therefore, have been killed by the dementors so logically he meant buckbeak and sirius.

the arguement to this is that sirius was going to be kissed, not killed and therefore if the arguement above is true then doubledores statement of saving "two" lives would be wrong.

the only other possibility i can think of is that dumbledore does not know about harry sending the patronus. while this is likely it is the only thing i can think of

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This could be true, but I do think that Dumbledore meant Sirius and Buckbeak

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yeh, i agree, the simplest answer seems to be the most probably and best fitting
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Posts: 1048 · Posted: July 27, 2007 9:35 pm Post subject:

i believe that DD meant sirius and buckbeak but he could've mean't harry too. he didn't say two lives could be saved, he said more than one lives could be saved.
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he always seems to be, something incidentally which JK continues in the deathly hallows. i dont think it would have been the same with out harry and dumbledores chat (KINGS CROSS)
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Posts: 33 · Posted: July 29, 2007 10:52 am Post subject:

Hmmmmm I'm trying to find Harry and Dumbledore's coversation at Kings Cross[/quote]

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