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PostPosted: October 28, 2007 12:30 am    Post subject: Hogwarts Portraits? Reply with quote

How do portraits work. Is it like a mirror into the afterlife? Does the person's personality get imprinted into the portrait by the spellcaster. How can portraits give advice and be intelligent?
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PostPosted: October 28, 2007 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is one quote from JKR... off her Official site...

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Section: News
Sunday 15 August 2004

J K Rowling at the Edinburgh Book Festival


All the paintings we have seen at Hogwarts are of dead people. They seem to be living through their portraits. How is this so? If there was a painting of Harry’s parents, would he be able to obtain advice from them?

That is a very good question. They are all of dead people; they are not as fully realised as ghosts, as you have probably noticed. The place where you see them really talk is in Dumbledore’s office, primarily; the idea is that the previous headmasters and headmistresses leave behind a faint imprint of themselves. They leave their aura, almost, in the office and they can give some counsel to the present occupant, but it is not like being a ghost. They repeat catchphrases, almost. The portrait of Sirius’ mother is not a very 3D personality; she is not very fully realised. She repeats catchphrases that she had when she was alive. If Harry had a portrait of his parents it would not help him a great deal. If he could meet them as ghosts, that would be a much more meaningful interaction, but as Nick explained at the end of Phoenix—I am straying into dangerous territory, but I think you probably know what he explained—there are some people who would not come back as ghosts because they are unafraid, or less afraid, of death.

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PostPosted: October 28, 2007 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

but in the end of the last book, and throughout the other books, the portraits had full conversations, like when harry was talking to dumbledore.
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PostPosted: October 28, 2007 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the end of the last book.. Harry was talking to Dumbledore in his head. It wasn't a portrait.

And JKR's right.. the portrait responses were limited throughout the books.
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PostPosted: October 28, 2007 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But, in fact, the aura that people live behind are strong enough for the portraits to eat, drink, and sleep.
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PostPosted: October 28, 2007 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i see, and in the end i was referring to the last chapter where he was in dumbledores office and was being applauded by the other portraits.
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PostPosted: October 28, 2007 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GinnyX wrote:
Here is one quote from JKR... off her Official site...

Quote:
Section: News
Sunday 15 August 2004

J K Rowling at the Edinburgh Book Festival


All the paintings we have seen at Hogwarts are of dead people. They seem to be living through their portraits. How is this so? If there was a painting of Harry’s parents, would he be able to obtain advice from them?

That is a very good question. They are all of dead people; they are not as fully realised as ghosts, as you have probably noticed. The place where you see them really talk is in Dumbledore’s office, primarily; the idea is that the previous headmasters and headmistresses leave behind a faint imprint of themselves. They leave their aura, almost, in the office and they can give some counsel to the present occupant, but it is not like being a ghost. They repeat catchphrases, almost. The portrait of Sirius’ mother is not a very 3D personality; she is not very fully realised. She repeats catchphrases that she had when she was alive. If Harry had a portrait of his parents it would not help him a great deal. If he could meet them as ghosts, that would be a much more meaningful interaction, but as Nick explained at the end of Phoenix—I am straying into dangerous territory, but I think you probably know what he explained—there are some people who would not come back as ghosts because they are unafraid, or less afraid, of death.


There are so many threads on this, you must have the quotes and link ready in a note pad every time you get on Potter forums..
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PostPosted: October 28, 2007 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThE_DaRk_MaRk wrote:
GinnyX wrote:
Here is one quote from JKR... off her Official site...

Quote:
Section: News
Sunday 15 August 2004

J K Rowling at the Edinburgh Book Festival


All the paintings we have seen at Hogwarts are of dead people. They seem to be living through their portraits. How is this so? If there was a painting of Harry’s parents, would he be able to obtain advice from them?

That is a very good question. They are all of dead people; they are not as fully realised as ghosts, as you have probably noticed. The place where you see them really talk is in Dumbledore’s office, primarily; the idea is that the previous headmasters and headmistresses leave behind a faint imprint of themselves. They leave their aura, almost, in the office and they can give some counsel to the present occupant, but it is not like being a ghost. They repeat catchphrases, almost. The portrait of Sirius’ mother is not a very 3D personality; she is not very fully realised. She repeats catchphrases that she had when she was alive. If Harry had a portrait of his parents it would not help him a great deal. If he could meet them as ghosts, that would be a much more meaningful interaction, but as Nick explained at the end of Phoenix—I am straying into dangerous territory, but I think you probably know what he explained—there are some people who would not come back as ghosts because they are unafraid, or less afraid, of death.


There are so many threads on this, you must have the quotes and link ready in a note pad every time you get on Potter forums..


Yup, lol, you have no idea... JKR has been giving a lot of quotes recently, I'm spending my Sunday evening reorganizing them.
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PostPosted: October 28, 2007 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rotfl, oh my, i can tell you are keeping busy.
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PostPosted: May 25, 2008 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GinnyX wrote:
Here is one quote from JKR... off her Official site...

Quote:
Section: News
Sunday 15 August 2004

J K Rowling at the Edinburgh Book Festival


All the paintings we have seen at Hogwarts are of dead people. They seem to be living through their portraits. How is this so? If there was a painting of Harry’s parents, would he be able to obtain advice from them?

That is a very good question. They are all of dead people; they are not as fully realised as ghosts, as you have probably noticed. The place where you see them really talk is in Dumbledore’s office, primarily; the idea is that the previous headmasters and headmistresses leave behind a faint imprint of themselves. They leave their aura, almost, in the office and they can give some counsel to the present occupant, but it is not like being a ghost. They repeat catchphrases, almost. The portrait of Sirius’ mother is not a very 3D personality; she is not very fully realised. She repeats catchphrases that she had when she was alive. If Harry had a portrait of his parents it would not help him a great deal. If he could meet them as ghosts, that would be a much more meaningful interaction, but as Nick explained at the end of Phoenix—I am straying into dangerous territory, but I think you probably know what he explained—there are some people who would not come back as ghosts because they are unafraid, or less afraid, of death.

but not all of the portraits were actually of dead people. in the second movie ( Or was this ONLY in the movie?)Gilderoy Lockhart was talking to paintings of him self.
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PostPosted: May 25, 2008 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LoenaLeeflang wrote:
GinnyX wrote:
Here is one quote from JKR... off her Official site...

Quote:
Section: News
Sunday 15 August 2004

J K Rowling at the Edinburgh Book Festival


All the paintings we have seen at Hogwarts are of dead people. They seem to be living through their portraits. How is this so? If there was a painting of Harry’s parents, would he be able to obtain advice from them?

That is a very good question. They are all of dead people; they are not as fully realised as ghosts, as you have probably noticed. The place where you see them really talk is in Dumbledore’s office, primarily; the idea is that the previous headmasters and headmistresses leave behind a faint imprint of themselves. They leave their aura, almost, in the office and they can give some counsel to the present occupant, but it is not like being a ghost. They repeat catchphrases, almost. The portrait of Sirius’ mother is not a very 3D personality; she is not very fully realised. She repeats catchphrases that she had when she was alive. If Harry had a portrait of his parents it would not help him a great deal. If he could meet them as ghosts, that would be a much more meaningful interaction, but as Nick explained at the end of Phoenix—I am straying into dangerous territory, but I think you probably know what he explained—there are some people who would not come back as ghosts because they are unafraid, or less afraid, of death.

but not all of the portraits were actually of dead people. in the second movie ( Or was this ONLY in the movie?)Gilderoy Lockhart was talking to paintings of him self.



They were just moving images of himself, like, photgraphs, except painted, I would think.
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PostPosted: May 25, 2008 9:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Hogwarts Portraits? Reply with quote

maximus55669 wrote:
How do portraits work. Is it like a mirror into the afterlife? Does the person's personality get imprinted into the portrait by the spellcaster. How can portraits give advice and be intelligent?



Magic...
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PostPosted: May 26, 2008 1:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, the portraits can be used in three ways.

| Can be used to keep others from entering.
| To keep hold of ancient times
| To look throught to see greatness and inspiration and decoration.
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PostPosted: May 26, 2008 3:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GinnyX wrote:
LoenaLeeflang wrote:
GinnyX wrote:
Here is one quote from JKR... off her Official site...

Quote:
Section: News
Sunday 15 August 2004

J K Rowling at the Edinburgh Book Festival


All the paintings we have seen at Hogwarts are of dead people. They seem to be living through their portraits. How is this so? If there was a painting of Harry’s parents, would he be able to obtain advice from them?

That is a very good question. They are all of dead people; they are not as fully realised as ghosts, as you have probably noticed. The place where you see them really talk is in Dumbledore’s office, primarily; the idea is that the previous headmasters and headmistresses leave behind a faint imprint of themselves. They leave their aura, almost, in the office and they can give some counsel to the present occupant, but it is not like being a ghost. They repeat catchphrases, almost. The portrait of Sirius’ mother is not a very 3D personality; she is not very fully realised. She repeats catchphrases that she had when she was alive. If Harry had a portrait of his parents it would not help him a great deal. If he could meet them as ghosts, that would be a much more meaningful interaction, but as Nick explained at the end of Phoenix—I am straying into dangerous territory, but I think you probably know what he explained—there are some people who would not come back as ghosts because they are unafraid, or less afraid, of death.

but not all of the portraits were actually of dead people. in the second movie ( Or was this ONLY in the movie?)Gilderoy Lockhart was talking to paintings of him self.



They were just moving images of himself, like, photgraphs, except painted, I would think.

:s but they really looked like paintings.. but yeah you are probably right...
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PostPosted: May 26, 2008 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LoenaLeeflang wrote:
GinnyX wrote:
LoenaLeeflang wrote:
GinnyX wrote:
Here is one quote from JKR... off her Official site...

Quote:
Section: News
Sunday 15 August 2004

J K Rowling at the Edinburgh Book Festival


All the paintings we have seen at Hogwarts are of dead people. They seem to be living through their portraits. How is this so? If there was a painting of Harry’s parents, would he be able to obtain advice from them?

That is a very good question. They are all of dead people; they are not as fully realised as ghosts, as you have probably noticed. The place where you see them really talk is in Dumbledore’s office, primarily; the idea is that the previous headmasters and headmistresses leave behind a faint imprint of themselves. They leave their aura, almost, in the office and they can give some counsel to the present occupant, but it is not like being a ghost. They repeat catchphrases, almost. The portrait of Sirius’ mother is not a very 3D personality; she is not very fully realised. She repeats catchphrases that she had when she was alive. If Harry had a portrait of his parents it would not help him a great deal. If he could meet them as ghosts, that would be a much more meaningful interaction, but as Nick explained at the end of Phoenix—I am straying into dangerous territory, but I think you probably know what he explained—there are some people who would not come back as ghosts because they are unafraid, or less afraid, of death.

but not all of the portraits were actually of dead people. in the second movie ( Or was this ONLY in the movie?)Gilderoy Lockhart was talking to paintings of him self.



They were just moving images of himself, like, photgraphs, except painted, I would think.

:s but they really looked like paintings.. but yeah you are probably right...



I said they were paintings... just that they were like photographs in the sense that they capture a memory. Probably a different spell is used on them or something.
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PostPosted: May 26, 2008 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GinnyX wrote:
LoenaLeeflang wrote:
GinnyX wrote:
LoenaLeeflang wrote:
GinnyX wrote:
Here is one quote from JKR... off her Official site...

Quote:
Section: News
Sunday 15 August 2004

J K Rowling at the Edinburgh Book Festival


All the paintings we have seen at Hogwarts are of dead people. They seem to be living through their portraits. How is this so? If there was a painting of Harry’s parents, would he be able to obtain advice from them?

That is a very good question. They are all of dead people; they are not as fully realised as ghosts, as you have probably noticed. The place where you see them really talk is in Dumbledore’s office, primarily; the idea is that the previous headmasters and headmistresses leave behind a faint imprint of themselves. They leave their aura, almost, in the office and they can give some counsel to the present occupant, but it is not like being a ghost. They repeat catchphrases, almost. The portrait of Sirius’ mother is not a very 3D personality; she is not very fully realised. She repeats catchphrases that she had when she was alive. If Harry had a portrait of his parents it would not help him a great deal. If he could meet them as ghosts, that would be a much more meaningful interaction, but as Nick explained at the end of Phoenix—I am straying into dangerous territory, but I think you probably know what he explained—there are some people who would not come back as ghosts because they are unafraid, or less afraid, of death.

but not all of the portraits were actually of dead people. in the second movie ( Or was this ONLY in the movie?)Gilderoy Lockhart was talking to paintings of him self.



They were just moving images of himself, like, photgraphs, except painted, I would think.

:s but they really looked like paintings.. but yeah you are probably right...



I said they were paintings... just that they were like photographs in the sense that they capture a memory. Probably a different spell is used on them or something.

Oh ok I get what you mean. but what was said was "They are all of dead people"... so even if a other spell is put on. how can we now, it looks the same..
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PostPosted: May 26, 2008 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

idk... not all of them repeat what they say... like how can phineas know that mundungus was a halfblood when mundungus was way after his time? and how can he know what the heck is going on around?

perhaps he picks up stuff from the headmaster's office, yes... but isnt that "knowing" already and not simply repeating catchphrases? sirius' mom only repeated stuff, yes. but not phineas, and the other headmasters. dilys and everard did errands for dumbledore when mr weasley was wounded.
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I said they were paintings... just that they were like photographs in the sense that they capture a memory. Probably a different spell is used on them or something.

Oh ok I get what you mean. but what was said was "They are all of dead people"... so even if a other spell is put on. how can we now, it looks the same..[/quote]

What JKR was referring to was...
"All the paintings we have seen at Hogwarts are of dead people."

The ones of Lockhart were not from Hogwarts, he brought them with him. And I think it was probably just a different spell that was used on them.
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PostPosted: May 28, 2008 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LoenaLeeflang wrote:
GinnyX wrote:
LoenaLeeflang wrote:
GinnyX wrote:
LoenaLeeflang wrote:
GinnyX wrote:
Here is one quote from JKR... off her Official site...

Quote:
Section: News
Sunday 15 August 2004

J K Rowling at the Edinburgh Book Festival


All the paintings we have seen at Hogwarts are of dead people. They seem to be living through their portraits. How is this so? If there was a painting of Harry’s parents, would he be able to obtain advice from them?

That is a very good question. They are all of dead people; they are not as fully realised as ghosts, as you have probably noticed. The place where you see them really talk is in Dumbledore’s office, primarily; the idea is that the previous headmasters and headmistresses leave behind a faint imprint of themselves. They leave their aura, almost, in the office and they can give some counsel to the present occupant, but it is not like being a ghost. They repeat catchphrases, almost. The portrait of Sirius’ mother is not a very 3D personality; she is not very fully realised. She repeats catchphrases that she had when she was alive. If Harry had a portrait of his parents it would not help him a great deal. If he could meet them as ghosts, that would be a much more meaningful interaction, but as Nick explained at the end of Phoenix—I am straying into dangerous territory, but I think you probably know what he explained—there are some people who would not come back as ghosts because they are unafraid, or less afraid, of death.

but not all of the portraits were actually of dead people. in the second movie ( Or was this ONLY in the movie?)Gilderoy Lockhart was talking to paintings of him self.



They were just moving images of himself, like, photgraphs, except painted, I would think.

:s but they really looked like paintings.. but yeah you are probably right...



I said they were paintings... just that they were like photographs in the sense that they capture a memory. Probably a different spell is used on them or something.

Oh ok I get what you mean. but what was said was "They are all of dead people"... so even if a other spell is put on. how can we now, it looks the same..


what are you worrying about all of you? we all have our opinions and there is no right or wrong, a portrait is used in three ways.
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PostPosted: May 28, 2008 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isabelle Lestrange wrote:
LoenaLeeflang wrote:
GinnyX wrote:
LoenaLeeflang wrote:
GinnyX wrote:
LoenaLeeflang wrote:
GinnyX wrote:
Here is one quote from JKR... off her Official site...

Quote:
Section: News
Sunday 15 August 2004

J K Rowling at the Edinburgh Book Festival


All the paintings we have seen at Hogwarts are of dead people. They seem to be living through their portraits. How is this so? If there was a painting of Harry’s parents, would he be able to obtain advice from them?

That is a very good question. They are all of dead people; they are not as fully realised as ghosts, as you have probably noticed. The place where you see them really talk is in Dumbledore’s office, primarily; the idea is that the previous headmasters and headmistresses leave behind a faint imprint of themselves. They leave their aura, almost, in the office and they can give some counsel to the present occupant, but it is not like being a ghost. They repeat catchphrases, almost. The portrait of Sirius’ mother is not a very 3D personality; she is not very fully realised. She repeats catchphrases that she had when she was alive. If Harry had a portrait of his parents it would not help him a great deal. If he could meet them as ghosts, that would be a much more meaningful interaction, but as Nick explained at the end of Phoenix—I am straying into dangerous territory, but I think you probably know what he explained—there are some people who would not come back as ghosts because they are unafraid, or less afraid, of death.

but not all of the portraits were actually of dead people. in the second movie ( Or was this ONLY in the movie?)Gilderoy Lockhart was talking to paintings of him self.



They were just moving images of himself, like, photgraphs, except painted, I would think.

:s but they really looked like paintings.. but yeah you are probably right...



I said they were paintings... just that they were like photographs in the sense that they capture a memory. Probably a different spell is used on them or something.

Oh ok I get what you mean. but what was said was "They are all of dead people"... so even if a other spell is put on. how can we now, it looks the same..


what are you worrying about all of you? we all have our opinions and there is no right or wrong, a portrait is used in three ways.

which 3 ways do you mean??
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