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Nazgulian
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PostPosted: November 13, 2007 9:50 pm    Post subject: Technology Reply with quote

What would happen in the wizarding world if wizards aquired muggle technology, weapons, etc.? Would it change the story much if they could look up stuff on the internet instead of leafing through thousands of books? Would cell phones and radios allow quick communication? And would long range firearms change the system of warfare and the outcome of important battles throughout the story?
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PostPosted: November 13, 2007 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The wizarding world doesn't want anything to do with muggle technology, or else it would have begun using it a long time ago.
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PostPosted: November 13, 2007 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

None of that stuff works, the magic messes up the signal. It's all there in Hogwarts, A History.

As far as guns and stuff like that goes... the wizards don't need them, they have wands. The muggles didn't have magic, so they had to invent stuff instead of magic.
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PostPosted: November 14, 2007 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would be nice if JKR wrote Hogwarts, A History
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PostPosted: November 14, 2007 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really thought she was going to. Or at least call the Potterpedia that instead.
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PostPosted: November 14, 2007 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

zengrenouille wrote:
The wizarding world doesn't want anything to do with muggle technology, or else it would have begun using it a long time ago.


they could do with muggle communication technology. or would they rather be stuck with slow owls?
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PostPosted: November 14, 2007 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How does "magic" interfere with muggle technology, anyway? Most of it is electrical, and I can't see how magic would interfere with that.
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PostPosted: November 14, 2007 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

read GoF. its somewhere between the chapter "the dream" and the last part of the book. hermione says that all these electronics dont work in the magical world because there us just too much magic in the air.
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PostPosted: November 14, 2007 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nazgulian wrote:
How does "magic" interfere with muggle technology, anyway? Most of it is electrical, and I can't see how magic would interfere with that.


It's something Hermione said in GoF. About how the magic interferes with the technology

And since bugging wouldn't work, I doubt phones would work, either.
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PostPosted: November 14, 2007 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well they could make wizard phones, or make it run via magic, or something like that, like how colin creevey's camera could work in the wizard environment.
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PostPosted: November 14, 2007 2:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, but the question was if they could use muggle technology, how would it change the story?
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PostPosted: November 14, 2007 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nazgulian wrote:
Yeah, but the question was if they could use muggle technology, how would it change the story?


In GoF we find out that you can't use muggle technology at Hogwarts because of the interfernce.
If muggle technology was available, Rita might have been able to bug Harry for real. Then, Hermione wouldn't have been able to blackmail her into writing the story for the Quibbler in OotP.

Little things like that would be different. And if little things are different, then it effects the bigger things.

JKR was very careful to plan her world out. With muggle technology, there would be no story. There would be guns, and cellphones, video cameras... even YouTube... it wouldn't be a fantasy book, it would be sci-fi with dragons.
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PostPosted: November 14, 2007 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

halfbloodprincess wrote:
zengrenouille wrote:
The wizarding world doesn't want anything to do with muggle technology, or else it would have begun using it a long time ago.


they could do with muggle communication technology. or would they rather be stuck with slow owls?



Are you kidding me? If a wizard wants to talk to some one, he can just apparate to the guys house. I would take that over the phone any day. The owls were fun, but I really don't think that they are the main form of communication in the wizarding world. They have so many ways to get to each other. The only reason that we saw the owls so much was because we were dealing with a bording school. I've never been to boarding school before, but I'm sure that most students write and receive letters as their main forn of communication with family. Maybe nowadays they communicate more with e-mail.

Also, magic is so much better. I mean, look at their transportation - broomsticks. They don't require emissions checks, oil changes, or gas. That is my kind of vehicle.
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PostPosted: November 14, 2007 3:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is rather inconvienient about brooms is that they have no comfortable seats, windshields, or even seatbelts!
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PostPosted: November 14, 2007 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nazgulian wrote:
What is rather inconvienient about brooms is that they have no comfortable seats, windshields, or even seatbelts!


You can't miss what you never had. Few wizards have actually ridden in cars. The fact that brooms don't have those things has no effect on them. Besides, I would rather not have to pay for gas and deal with the slight discomfort.
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PostPosted: November 14, 2007 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thing is they dont have to pay for gas since it runs on magic.

there might be wizarding cars, but its not as popular as broomsticks.

for instance, in POA, since the ministry of magic was so overly protective of harry potter, they granted the weasley family ministry cars on their way to king's cross. and dont forget the amazing flying ford anglia.
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PostPosted: November 14, 2007 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I assumed that the ministry keeps cars for their dealings with muggles. You don't want to show up for a muggle meeting on a broomstick. The ford anglia was illegal. Arthur was not supposed to have it.
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PostPosted: November 14, 2007 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Broomsticks have comfort charms on them. And it's not like there are hundereds of them up in the air, so crashes are minimal.

And whether or not magic powered cars are common or not, you have t admit, they're probably way better for the environment.

The owls are just what they use instead of the postal service. They have owl mail, we have snail mail. There is really no difference there.
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PostPosted: November 14, 2007 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why would you want them to have muggle technology? I think it awesome that they are almost stuck back in time(according to muggle technology).
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PostPosted: November 19, 2007 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The books show they don't want anything to do with muggles, notice how they're always protrayed as the massive "sphere" outside magic, totally mundane and pointless, dull and ignored - a nuisance at best.

Which makes me feel they greatly underestimate Muggles and the Muggle technical mind, just due to the lack of magic.

I don't see how having Muggle tech would make a difference though, Magic seems to be too strong to be mechanically overcome, so why would they lower themselves?
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PostPosted: November 20, 2007 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, they do have radios. In DH Ron actually tuned in and the trio listened to "Potterwatch" by Lee Jordan. They do have muggle technology, but they kinda modified it, adding magic to the gadgets.
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PostPosted: November 20, 2007 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes that.

they modify muggle technology.
although i dont see the reason why they dont use cellphones... i mean, cellphones powered by magic and not batteries.
maybe, in some aspects, they can be a bit arrogant towards muggle technology. they greatly underestimate muggles.
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PostPosted: November 20, 2007 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Again, why would you want them to have muggle technology? How fun would it be if Harry just called Sirius on his cell phone, "Oh your not at the Department of Mysteries being tortured. Well never mind then." I mean they could prank call the Death Eaters but thats only fun for awhile. lol. Or, how stupid would it be if they got on the internet instead of looking through books in the library. Hmm, they would have found Flamel a lot faster but that is detrimental to the story.
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PostPosted: November 21, 2007 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

actally i dont want them to. i think their old fashioned styles are quite fascinating. im just merely saying that they are looking down on muggle technology
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PostPosted: November 21, 2007 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of the things that strike me post about the Potter series ( Yes, I'm going to refer to the 7 books as such from now on.), is that JKR made a mix between Real life and fantasy life. This kind of blending between the 2 worlds excites me. It allows me to imagine that there are some other interesting world besides the boring( ok maybe some things are fun.) world we live in and we are connected. It was a breeze accepting JKR's wizarding world in my mind.

For these 2 worlds to co-exist, there have to be some similarities, for instance: Raw materials- oak, timber Land- trees, grass, dirt Clothing- Robes, hat.

So some technology could be something that are the same that muggles use( despite the fact that they don't use electricity), like the radios and cameras.

Others could be brought in by those wizards interested in studying muggles. It tells us that muggles are not really an interesting bunch of people and yes ,
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they can be a bit arrogant towards muggle technology. they greatly underestimate muggles.


I think JKR also uses this kind of semi-hi-tech era for the wizarding world because it gives the readers insight about the wizarding world after the medival time that has the most famous wizard ever
- Merlin

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