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Auror Monroe
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PostPosted: November 13, 2007 10:07 am    Post subject: JKR v. Lexicon Lawsuit (update) Reply with quote

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As you may have read, on 8 November, 2007 a judge in New York granted an order against RDR Books in respect to the proposed book The Harry Potter Lexicon, such order applying to any proposed licensing of the book worldwide.

Judge Patterson has imposed a restraining order on the publishers of the Lexicon, which will remain in place until February 2008. This means that the book can not be completed, published or marketed until the court has had time to decide whether it would break the law if published in its present form.

I take no pleasure in the fact that publication has been prevented for the present. On the contrary, I feel massively disappointed that this matter had to come to court at all. Despite repeated requests, the publishers have refused to even countenance making any changes to the book to ensure that it does not infringe my rights.

Unless their position changes, we will all return to court next year. Given my past good relations with the Lexicon fansite, I can only feel sad and disillusioned that this is where we have ended up.


I hope the Lexicon loses everything, for the crap they're putting JKR through.
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PostPosted: November 13, 2007 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't hope that they loae everything, because visit the site regularly. I just hope that they are not aloud to publish the book. As a matter of fact, I am certain that they won't be able to publish the book. I want the site to stay up, though.
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PostPosted: November 13, 2007 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ I agree. I hope this lawsuit doesn't result in Steve removing his site.
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PostPosted: November 13, 2007 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't get why they'd even try to publish it...its all her material. now if it was a book of editorials on the series that would be fine. and who would buy the book when they could access it all online for free anyway? especially when jk's going to come out with something similar further down the road.
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PostPosted: November 13, 2007 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

why cant they publish the book ? this aint no form of (dont know if you people say this but) plagiat (well its basically book stealing, the content of a book is taken over by another author and is then published)
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PostPosted: November 13, 2007 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

plagiarism. I think the issue is that all it is is all of her work rearranged. everything in there is her "intellectual property" so to speak. and rdr and the lexicon are trying to make money off of it. but its not theirs to do that with.
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PostPosted: November 13, 2007 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well , it is if JKR says they can do it ? Has she said so ?

EDIT : offcourse she hasnt she's on the other party.

But isnt JKR publishing a potterpedia soon ? So thats basically the same ...
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PostPosted: November 13, 2007 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, she is. But it's her work, so she's allowing herself to. Plus, she's giving all the money she makes from the potterpedias to charity... which is raising all sorts of other concerns.
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PostPosted: November 13, 2007 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arabella wrote:
I don't get why they'd even try to publish it...its all her material. now if it was a book of editorials on the series that would be fine. and who would buy the book when they could access it all online for free anyway? especially when jk's going to come out with something similar further down the road.



I would buy the encyclopedia if it was done legally AND with Jo's good graces. I would still probably use the site regularly, but there is something that makes it seem easier if there is a tangible book in my hand. I guess I'm just old-fashioned.
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PostPosted: November 13, 2007 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

zengrenouille wrote:
Arabella wrote:
I don't get why they'd even try to publish it...its all her material. now if it was a book of editorials on the series that would be fine. and who would buy the book when they could access it all online for free anyway? especially when jk's going to come out with something similar further down the road.



I would buy the encyclopedia if it was done legally AND with Jo's good graces. I would still probably use the site regularly, but there is something that makes it seem easier if there is a tangible book in my hand. I guess I'm just old-fashioned.


I agree. I would definitely buy the book. I mean, what if the internet was down or unavavilable... or what if the site was temporaily down... or taken down permanently. I like the idea of having the book with me and the information available at all times.
But if JKR doesn't approve it, then I feel I should stay loyal to her.
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PostPosted: November 13, 2007 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think its easier to click links instead of flipping through pages...and I"m a cheap skate so yeah...I wouldn't buy it lol.
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PostPosted: November 13, 2007 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can be like me and put those post-it tabs all over your reference books, lol. And also, what if they closed down their site or something... or what if you don't have access to a computer or the internet... of I'd go nuts. I like the idea of having something I can hold on to. Then again I guess I can do what Steve's lawyers suggested and just print out all the pages on his website.
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PostPosted: November 13, 2007 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ I guess I would print all the pages too, but I bet J.K.R is very sad about this because the site is pretty good and all.
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PostPosted: November 13, 2007 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, she seems pretty upset that things are the way they are now. Not only did she give the site a personal award... but she has said many times how much she likes the sites and uses the references herself.
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PostPosted: November 13, 2007 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmm... if i were her, id let lexicon do the encyclopedia. after all, they can only work with what they have. she hasnt released all the scratch information she has. she can put that in her next encyclopedia, which other people would definitely want to buy because it includes INFORMATION WE DONT KNOW. let lexicon create an encyclopedia thats simply compiles information we already know.
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PostPosted: November 14, 2007 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It makes me wonder... is that all the Potterpedia is- Facts we can easily get from the Lexicon? I was hoping for at least some new stuff... a few surprises.... but if it's just the same stuff the Lexicon has, which I'm begnning to think it is, then I have to say... I'm not really look as forward to the Potterpedia as I was.
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PostPosted: November 14, 2007 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

im pretty sure potterpedia includes bits which we dont know yet, but are in jkr's notes.

and as lexicon cannot release information in their encyclopedia that simply arises from guesswork, they will have to make-do with existing information, info which jkr has released.

so i think that lexipedia will be less interesting than potterpedia, although that wont stop me from purchasing one. Very Happy

if i were jkr ill just support them.
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PostPosted: November 14, 2007 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

but...its her work. I don't see where they get off thinking they can publish that and make money off of it. if they had her blessing, that'd be great...consent...but they don't.
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PostPosted: November 14, 2007 1:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if it would be different if the money Steve makes from the book was all going to charity. I mean, yeah, the work is still hers... but she keeps saying how the charities would suffer. What if he donated all his proceeds, too. Don't get me wrong, he still shouldn't be allowed to write the book, but would she have as much support if his money was also all going to charity?
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PostPosted: November 14, 2007 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh yeah... it was all going to charity. hmm... well if steve was gonna give it to charity i dont think it should be much of a problem.

but you know, if i were her, id leave him alone. people would still prefer her encyclopedia. after all, it contains new stuff. steve's doesnt. its old stuff.
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PostPosted: November 14, 2007 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

but its the principle of the matter. or summin
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PostPosted: November 14, 2007 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

huh?

yeah i know thats exactly it. she doesnt want lexicon to write about her story.

but if i were her, ill let them. i know that mine will be more saleable anyway.
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PostPosted: November 14, 2007 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that this lawsuit really has little to do with that stuff. I'm sure that Jo has been through these same thoughts and ideas herself. The problem is that if the lexicon takes the liberty to publish an encyclopedia based on Jo work, then every TOm, Dick, and Harry will feel that he can take the same liberty. This lawsuit is Jo's way of protecting herself from being walked all over by the whole industry. I'm sure that part of her defense is the charity thing, but I really feel that that is only the tip of the iceburg.
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PostPosted: November 14, 2007 5:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i guess youre right about that. however, if she gave her support to lexicon, which is widely known as the unofficial harry potter encyclopedia (seeing as neither mugglenet, theleakycauldron, and other sites are not encyclopedias), then the toms, dicks, and harrys wont think that they have a right to publish stuff about her book, because only lexicon is the known existing potter encyclopedia.

however, yes. she has every right to not give her support to lexicon, in which case the best option would be to sue lexicon. the problem though is creating a bad relationship with one of her biggest fans. not that she is in dire need of fans to support her, seeing as she has so many of that, and anyway she has so much money already to even need them, but as a form of gratitude.
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PostPosted: November 14, 2007 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even if he gave the money to charity. HP and everything surrounding it is JKR's. She doesn't want another encyclopedia out there that will be compared to hers. It might take her a long time to publish the Potterpedia and if people have already got the Lexicon version and have had it for awhile then they may have lost some interest when hers is finally published. Of course no one on this website will lose interest I would certainly still purchase the Potterpedia, but there are some who might lose interest. They may think, "I've already had it all spelled out for me with the Lexicon version."

It is the principle of the matter. There could also be other problems that