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PostPosted: August 29, 2008 6:21 pm    Post subject: McCain taps Alaska governor for VP Reply with quote

Wow, Mccain has really done a great job this time chosing 2 year senetor Sarah Palin as VP. Talk about experience. Two years in senate, and a few in mayor position.

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DAYTON, Ohio - Republican John McCain introduced first-term Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his vice presidential running mate Friday, a stunning selection of a little-known conservative newcomer who relishes fighting the establishment.

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"She's exactly who I need. She's exactly who this country needs to help me fight the same old Washington politics of 'Me first and country second,' " McCain declared as the pair stood together for the first time at a boisterous rally in Ohio just days before the opening of the party's national convention.

Palin, the first Republican woman on a presidential ticket, promised: "I'm going to take our campaign to every part of our country and our message of reform to every voter of every background in every political party, or no party at all."

"... Politics isn't just a game of competing interests and clashing parties," added the Palin, 44, who has built her career in large measure by challenging fellow Republicans.

In the increasingly intensive presidential campaign, McCain made his selection six days after his Democratic rival, Barack Obama, named Sen. Joseph Biden of Delaware, as his No. 2 on the ticket.

The contrast between the two announcements was remarkable — Obama, 47, picked a 65-year-old running mate with long experience in government and a man whom he said was qualified to be president. The timing of McCain's selection appeared designed to limit any political gain Obama derives from his own convention, which ended Thursday night with his nominating acceptance speech before an estimated 84,000 in Invesco Field in Colorado.

Public opinion polls show a close race between Obama and McCain, and with scarcely two months remaining until the election, neither contender can allow the other to jump out to a big post-convention lead.

On his 72nd birthday, McCain chose Palin, a woman younger than two of the Arizonan's seven children and a person who until recently was the mayor of small-town Wasilla, Alaska and has been governor less than two years. He settled on her six months after first meeting the governor and following only one phone call between them last Sunday and a single face-to-face meeting Thursday, according to a timeline provided by his campaign.

The Obama campaign immediately questioned whether she would be prepared to step in and be president if necessary.

"Today, John McCain put the former mayor of a town of 9,000 with zero foreign policy experience a heartbeat away from the presidency," Adrianne Marsh, a spokeswoman for Obama, said in a written statement. A statement was put out on Obama's plane with the candidate merely welcoming her to the campaign.

President Bush complimented McCain for "an exciting decision."

"Governor Palin is a proven reformer who is a wise steward of taxpayer dollars and champion for accountability in government," a presidential statement said. "By selecting a working mother with a track record of getting things done, Senator McCain has once again demonstrated his commitment to reforming Washington."

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, who came so close to being the first major party woman presidential candidate, said in a statement: "We should all be proud of Gov. Sarah Palin's historic nomination, and I congratulate her and Sen. McCain. While their policies would take America in the wrong direction, Gov. Palin will add an important new voice to the debate."

"It's an absolutely brilliant choice," said Mathew Staver, dean of Liberty University School of Law. "This will absolutely energize McCain's campaign and energize conservatives," he predicted.

Palin's name had not been on the short list of people heavily reported upon by the news media in recent days, and McCain's decision was a well-kept secret until just a couple hours before Friday's rally.

McCain's campaign said that Palin and a top aide met with senior McCain advisers in Flagstaff, Ariz., on Wednesday night. The next morning, the campaign said McCain formally invited Palin to join the ticket on the deck of McCain's home near Sedona, Ariz., and later Thursday the governor flew to Middletown, Ohio, with staff to await Friday's event in Dayton.

Describing the process that led to her selection, Palin told reporters she'd received word that she was McCain's choice on Thursday and had met privately with him that day to discuss it. She spoke briefly as the two running mates surprised shoppers at the Buckeye Corner in Columbus, Ohio, where they purchased Ohio State University sports memorabilia. McCain and Palin started a bus tour across Ohio and to Pittsburgh, where they will hold a campaign rally Saturday. Ohio and Pennsylvania are two states that figure prominently in who wins the election this fall.

Asked why McCain chose her, his campaign manager Rick Davis said, "Part of it is personal fit."

"He sees Sarah, Governor Palin, as the future of the party," he added. "These are people he'd like to elevate in that regard. reformers."

Sharyl Odenweller, a retired teacher from Delphos, Ohio who was visiting the store, said she was pleased that McCain had chosen a woman and someone "very pro life." But, Odenweller also said, "I'd like to know more about her experience. If something happened to him, would she be qualified to step into the presidency?"

With his pick, McCain passed over more prominent contenders like former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, as well as others such as former Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Ridge, whose support for abortion rights might have sparked unrest at the convention that opens Monday in St. Paul, Minn.

A self-styled hockey mom and political reformer, Palin became governor after ousting a state chief executive of her own party in a primary.

More recently, she has come under the scrutiny of an investigation by the Republican-controlled legislature into the possibility that she ordered the dismissal of Alaska's public safety commissioner because he would not fire her former brother-in-law as a state trooper.

Palin has a long history of run-ins with the Alaska GOP hierarchy, giving her genuine maverick status and reformer credentials that could complement McCain's image.

Her husband, Todd Palin, is part Yup'ik Eskimo, and is a blue-collar North Slope oil worker who competes in the Iron Dog, a 1,900-mile snowmobile race. The couple lives in Wasilla. They have five children, the youngest of whom was born in April with Down syndrome.

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PostPosted: August 29, 2008 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: August 29, 2008 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

She's a Governor, not a Senator. <.<
And not a bad pick. Surprising, but not bad.
She kind of covers everything that McCain doesn't (she's very conservative, he's fairly moderate).

Dunno much about her, though.
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PostPosted: August 29, 2008 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This might get some of the women majority vote.
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PostPosted: August 29, 2008 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed, somewhat of a surprise.

I doubt it'll play all that well for him though. If women voted for women purely for the sake that they're women, Hillary would've won the nomination.

She supports oil drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge so I hope she burns in hell.
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PostPosted: August 29, 2008 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

She's also pro-life (I believe) and that alone makes me vote against her.

I'm pro-choice.
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PostPosted: August 29, 2008 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Announcing it the morning after Obama's nomination acceptance speech was very well played, though. I was impressed.
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PostPosted: August 29, 2008 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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She's also pro-life


She's against the death penalty? Razz

Regarding the timing of the announcement, McCain was kind of running out of time. The Republican convention is only two days away.
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PostPosted: August 29, 2008 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mccain probably chose her to win over the Hillary supporters who are in /cry mode
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PostPosted: August 29, 2008 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Mccain probably chose her to win over the Hillary supporters who are in /cry mode


That's what everyone's saying... and it's a really bad pick for that choice. She may be a woman, but she is not a feminist. She's pro-life, and ridiculously conservative, so she's not going to win over any disenfranchised Hillary supporters who were hoping for
A) Women's right to choose
B) Equal pay for equal work enforcement.

What she does bring to the table is the Republican voting base, that John McCain hasn't really been in touch with because he's more moderate.
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PostPosted: August 29, 2008 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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King818 wrote:
Mccain probably chose her to win over the Hillary supporters who are in /cry mode


That's what everyone's saying... and it's a really bad pick for that choice. She may be a woman, but she is not a feminist. She's pro-life, and ridiculously conservative, so she's not going to win over any disenfranchised Hillary supporters who were hoping for
A) Women's right to choose
B) Equal pay for equal work enforcement.

What she does bring to the table is the Republican voting base, that John McCain hasn't really been in touch with because he's more moderate.


wow... that is surprisingly all true..

im kinda ticked by the choice though. why her? she doesnt have that much experience and mccain has been docking obama for that before he biden. what does this equal things out on experience or sumthin. i think it was a bad choice and move for mccain. but i might change my mind after learning more about her.

how this is playing out (take this with humor guys)

Obama, a kid who has his babysitter, biden, to keep him out of trouble.

Mccain, old and senile, has a hype woman to keep him from talking about the dinosaurs. hurray!
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PostPosted: August 29, 2008 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol, look for another Edwards like fiasco with Mccian and Her. Lol....
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PostPosted: August 30, 2008 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think McCain's a bit past that.

http://www.vpilf.com/
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McCain cant even get it up anymore, lol
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PostPosted: August 30, 2008 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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McCain cant even get it up anymore, lol


Kill the subtlety...
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PostPosted: August 30, 2008 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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McCain cant even get it up anymore, lol


now what we need is that every add he has say, sponsored by the mccain campaign and ***THIS IS SPAM!***!
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McCain did this as a final desperate attempt. You know he didn't really want her.

His whole experience aspect of his campaign is now out the window. She has NONE. She also has no care in foreign policy.

If anything was to happen to McCain, would she be able to become Commander and chief?
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McCain did this as a final desperate attempt. You know he didn't really want her.

His whole experience aspect of his campaign is now out the window. She has NONE. She also has no care in foreign policy.

If anything was to happen to McCain, would she be able to become Commander and chief?


It's funny when democrats use this argument because their own candidate for PRESIDENT, not vice, has no experience whatsoever. Palin has been in government for a long time. Who cares if it's not the federal government? More governors have been elected President than Senators. Probably because being Governor is more related to being President than any stupid lawmaker. I'm glad there's finally a member of the executive branch involved in this election.

And regardless of what you might think, McCain is not doing to croak anytime soon. If his doctors thought he was, he wouldn't be running for President and he wouldn't have made it as far as he did in this race because of health issues anyways, if he had them.
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Michael Massacre wrote:
McCain did this as a final desperate attempt. You know he didn't really want her.

His whole experience aspect of his campaign is now out the window. She has NONE. She also has no care in foreign policy.

If anything was to happen to McCain, would she be able to become Commander and chief?


It's funny when democrats use this argument because their own candidate for PRESIDENT, not vice, has no experience whatsoever. Palin has been in government for a long time. Who cares if it's not the federal government? More governors have been elected President than Senators. Probably because being Governor is more related to being President than any stupid lawmaker. I'm glad there's finally a member of the executive branch involved in this election.

And regardless of what you might think, McCain is not doing to croak anytime soon. If his doctors thought he was, he wouldn't be running for President and he wouldn't have made it as far as he did in this race because of health issues anyways, if he had them.


correct and obama has only had 140 WORKING days as senator, at least she has been a gov for two years, and before that a mayor of a city for many. she has way more experience in just about every area than obama. especially executive and playing the part of commander and chief in a sense. she has the decision to deploy the national guard if a crisis hits as governor. seeing how she lived in alaska, i can see her doing that a lot. remind me what obama has accomplished in the senate?
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It's funny when democrats use this argument because their own candidate for PRESIDENT, not vice, has no experience whatsoever. Palin has been in government for a long time. Who cares if it's not the federal government? More governors have been elected President than Senators. Probably because being Governor is more related to being President than any stupid lawmaker. I'm glad there's finally a member of the executive branch involved in this election.


YES, the experience arguments.

Palin's been a Governor for less than two years and before that she was mayor of a town of 9000 people for 6 years.

Obama was an Illinois Senator for 8 years and has been a Federal Senator for 3 and a 1/2 years.

And Governor of Alaska? That place has a population of 670,000. Obama got several million votes. That's more than their entire population.

But hey, does this "experience" thing mean anything at all? Not in my opinion.

Obama: 8 years Illinois Senate, 3 years U.S. Senate
W. Bush (pre-Presidency): 6 years Governor
Lincoln: 8 years Illinois House of Reps, 2 years U.S. House of Reps
T.R. Roosevelt: 3 years Governor
F.D. Roosevelt: 2 years NY Senate, 3 years NY Governor

So Obama's actually "more experienced" than some of American's best known and lauded Presidents.

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And regardless of what you might think, McCain is not doing to croak anytime soon. If his doctors thought he was, he wouldn't be running for President and he wouldn't have made it as far as he did in this race because of health issues anyways, if he had them.


Sorry, but when your Presidential candidate is 72 years old, has a history of health problems and currently has a form of life-threatening cancer it's perfectly valid to scrutinise the VP candidate especially since she's a (fluttering) heartbeat away from the presidency.
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Marxx wrote:
T.R. Roosevelt: 3 years Governor


In all fairness, he did also have 4ish years of vice presidency as well.

Fiendfyre wrote:

Who cares if it's not the federal government? More governors have been elected President than Senators. Probably because being Governor is more related to being President than any stupid lawmaker. I'm glad there's finally a member of the executive branch involved in this election.


Well first of all, I really don't care how much experience the vice presidential candidate has nearly as much as I care about what they stand for. I just think it was a poor political move by McCain because now his attacks on Obama's inexperience are going to be hindered, and that's really the biggest fuel his campaign was running on.

As for governors being elected to office more than senators... you do know that's because it's near impossible to call a governor a 'flip-flopper' when you don't have the voting records from congress to hold against them, right? It's so much easier to run a negative campaign against a senator than against a governor.
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