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If you recall in book 4 while professor mcgonnagle was convinving Dumbledroe to not let Harry go in the tornament he said "i think we should just wait and see what happens" ...OBVIOUSLEY HE WANTE DTHAT BECAUSE HE WANTED HARRY TO TOUCH THE TRI WIZARD CUP WHIHC WAS A PORTKEY TO VOLDEMORT!

i copied and pasted this from another topic i wrote it in...so what do you all think??
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You're right, Snape did know about Voldemort returning. I've said it before, the potion Wormtail used to return Voldemorts body was too complex for him, even with Voldemort giving him instructions. Snape made the potion.
Think about it, there was a fake Mad-eye Moody at Hogwarts the whole year and Dumbeldore didn't notice. He had to have had his suspicions but Snape put them to rest because Dumbledore trusted Snape.
My concern is why do proven convicted Death Eaters keep getting positions where they are influential to young people. "Snape, Hogwarts teacher" and "Karkaroff, Durmstrang headmaster" what idiots are appointing these people.

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snape is the greatest character ever
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Posts: 8 · Posted: April 10, 2007 9:16 pm Post subject:

I still believe Snape is bad, but there's something about him and redemption in the last book. Does he owe a debt to James Potter? the same way Peter Pettigrew owes a debt to Harry.
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Snape is a lonewolf that goes on the side he believes to keep him alive. Thats just my opinion.
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Posts: 326 · Posted: April 11, 2007 3:07 pm Post subject:

I don't we know what Wormtail is good or not good at. We know he can be a bit stupid but remember he is also the man who had the sense to cut off his finger and fake his death. The also knew enough magic to kill (how much) muggles with one spell. Peter has been holding out, for years. Besides there is no canon( I apologize for the use of this disgusting word) to suggest that he was bad a potions.

I think we all have to assume that DD is smarter than us, and any idea that we come up with has already been thought of by DD. Snape being bad just because he suggested that they wait to see what happens... I think DD would have spot that. Besides if DD or anyone could have gotten Potter out of the competition I'm sure he would have.
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It just seems that if Snape was in fact "good", they could have ended this long ago. Snape is the one holding the order back. I just don't trust Dumbledore, neither does Harry, neither did Sirius. That was the downfall of the order. Dumbledore was the only one who trusted Snape, no one else did, the rest of the order should have gone with their own gut instinct and wentagainst Snape right away.

Posts: 326 · Posted: April 12, 2007 7:48 am Post subject:

Ask yourself. If Snpae was bad would be so horrible to Harry?

No cause it would be a dead give away.

Check out Braty Crouch Jr in GOF. HE was bad and he was nice to Harry. He acted like he was Harry's friend. And it turned out that he wasn't. That's how real people act when they don't want to be discoverd. You'll notice SNape acts kindly to Lucius Malfoy and the others. That's because he doesn't want them to know he is really working for the order. If he treated them like he treated Harry thaen they wouldn't trust him either.

The very fact that Snape is so horrible to Harry and does not hide the fact that he hates him and openely tires to get him expelled indicates that he is not evil.
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Like your chain of thought.
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Posts: 253 · Posted: April 12, 2007 8:47 am Post subject:

Posts: 1562 · Posted: April 12, 2007 9:22 am Post subject:

Snape is Not a death eater. He did not make the polyjuice potion for fake moody. After all he suspected Harry, for stealing the ingredients.

Posts: 326 · Posted: April 12, 2007 10:52 am Post subject:

Well how is it not accurate.
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Posts: 326 · Posted: April 12, 2007 10:52 am Post subject:

Well how is it not accurate.
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Posts: 253 · Posted: April 12, 2007 7:02 pm Post subject:

well your just saying that because thats how youve seen it...just because hes mean to him doens tmean hes on his side you know. and thats kinda why its not 100% accurate...because ya he could be mean and not on their side at the same time...i dont see what you didnt understand...?
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Personally, I still think Snape is a good guy, but maybe misses being a bad guy sometimes and it shows.
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Posts: 253 · Posted: April 12, 2007 8:59 pm Post subject:

I stand by what i said before...i agree with Sirius

"no one stops being a death eater"

and that is true because if they did Voldemort would kill them for betraying him! Voldemorts not that stupid...hes pretty smart actually...snape has been a "double agent" for 10 years pretending to be a "spy" for dumbledore...NO ONE CAN EVEN FOOL THE DARK LORD ONCE LET ALONE 10 YEARS! DONT YOU GUYS THINK VOLDEMORT CHECKS HIS FOLLOWERS?? HE INVADES THEIR MINDS! LIKE HOW SNAPE WAS TEACHING HARRY OCLUMENCY...SO THE DARK LORD WOULDNT INVADE HIS MIND! im sure Voldemort has checked over and over the minds of his followers...he would have known if snape wasnt on his side
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Posts: 326 · Posted: April 13, 2007 7:48 am Post subject:

When Sirius said no one stops being a Death Eater I think he meant No one can stop being a Death Eater, as in, you're not allowed to. We know his brother tried to stop and is most likely dead. Another one is Karkroff.

But Snape is a very talneted wizard, who has an unknown agender ( most likely love: something that Voldy can't understand) and he can fool Voldermort. Because like DD said, he remains woefully ignorant about some kinds or magic.

I know what I was saying was an assumtion but, it's a very logical one. I thought you were saying something was wrong with my canon or something like that.

If Snape is bad, why hasn't he told Greyback that Lupin is in the order?

I think that's why he needed to join the Death Eaters fully. Voldy was starting to become suspicious, He didn't kill right away because like Nracissa said, he was his favourite. He couldn't keep up not giving the Death Eaters any valuable information. They would sniff him out eventually. Why do you think Voldy put Wormtial by Snape. I know it wasn't because he thought Snape needed an assistant. Wormtail was trying to listen in on conversations.., he was spying on him.
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Posts: 253 · Posted: April 13, 2007 8:50 am Post subject:

ok lest say Snape is a good person...

dont you think killing Dumbledore was taking it a bit too far!?

I mean ok a spy we understand but you killed the man! He put an end to the life of the most powerful wizard in the world...Dumbledroe may have been the worlds only chance to stop Voldemort, along with Harry...he couldve taught Harry so many useful things to use against the final battle...because o Snape its never going to happen now.

now does that sound like a good person to you?
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Posts: 326 · Posted: April 13, 2007 10:39 am Post subject:

Lets look at it in the two ways:

If it was Snape at Spinner's end: An evil Snape will never put his life on the action of him killing DD. He knows DD is more powerful than him. He knows that he is the only on that Voldy ever fared. Narcissa only asked him to that because she was being a typicla selfish eath eater, she is no friend of Snape, why didn't she kill DD herself.

Also if it was Snape then that would mean that Snape would either have to kill DD or die. If he is good her would have told DD this. Do you think that DD would let Snape die? NO, he's old, he can't put hislife before a man of only 37-ish.

IF IT WAsn't Snape and I believe it wasn't.

Then it makes perfect sense as DD can be the only one ott make the decision of him dying or not. I don't think it was Snape because it would be rather bold of him to make that decsion without DD permision. He had nothing to prove to Bella, so there was no need for him to feel presured.

I think only DD would have been able to do some quick on the spot thinking and dedcide that it would be better for Snape to distance himself from the Order, so he set it up for him to look like he killed him. That is what Snape meant by DD took too much for Granted. He didn't want to rejoin DE and leave hogwarts. The way how Snape neglects his house, especially since he is so neet (his hand writing) indicates that he doesn't think of it as his home. He has spent most of his life in Hogwats: 26 years to be exact.

Does DD mind dying?

He said for the well prepared mind, deatyh is just another adventure.

The way he was acting in HBP indicates that he knew he was going to die.

1)He made sure Petunia understood that Harry had to stay there for one more summer. He never did that before. He also finally told her what he thought about her treatment of Harry.

2) He gave harry all the information on the Horcurxes. He was even rushing Harry to get the last memory form Slughorn as if he was pressed for time.

3) In the cave, he told harry: You blood is worth more than mine. Could it be because he knew he would die.

All the clues point to DD knowing he was going to die. And if DD knew he was going to die, it would be too difficult to explain a bad Snape.
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Posts: 253 · Posted: April 13, 2007 6:07 pm Post subject:

ok everything you said made very much sense...im still confused on one part:

if snape was suppose to kill Dumbledore and is a good person why did he run away with the other death eaters...he will never be accepted back ion the Order because they wont let him...hes already a wanted Death Eater by the minisrty and also he can never return to Hogwarts....does this mean his life is basically made up for him?? he is to stay with Volemort forever?? he cannot continue being a spy for the good people because they all hate him for killng Dumbledore so he might as well just join the Death Eaters...he has no other friends...or allys
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Posts: 326 · Posted: April 13, 2007 8:54 pm Post subject:

Glad you asked.

Well he ran away with the death eaters because that's what DD wanted him to do. They would begin to wonder why he hasn't given them any significant information when he suppposed to spying. If he's not a spy naymore then he can't give info on the Order.

They will notice that Snape is good eventually. I think it's good that Harry thinks Snape is bad. Voldermort can read his mind, even when he's not near. If Harry believed Snape was good...then Snape gets it.

You understand now??
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