what you dont understand honey is this guy could care less about you or dobby or jar jar or your threats... he just writes it to get you mad. that is why he does it. stop replying and he wont have anything to do, he prolly doesnt even read the thread after so the only people wasting our time is us... go to the pub lemme pour you a drink so you can relax _________________
"The voices in my head are telling me to kill you"
this amuses me.
you don't like harry potter,
and yet you go on a harry potter fan forum and add the effort of registering and making long posts?
it's really a waste of your life.
go outside or something, alright, bud?
Why are you bothering to talk to someone if you think their thread is a waste? Go make some friends, finish grade school, and stop bothering the rest of us.
i think i hit a nerve, haven't i?
oh, i don't mean no harm by telling you your thread is a waste.
i'm just letting you know just incase you didn't get the message from various other posters..
because, clearly, you don't get it. _________________ www.theboywholivedd.piczo.com
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"The voices in my head are telling me to kill you"
If you expect a completely original plot, original setting, characters, chain of events, feel, and everything else, you're setting yourself up for a serious disappointment. .
I couldn't have said it better myself. Also, if you think that selection from Farenheit 451 isn't descriptive then you need to go back to 4th grade english and find out what the word "descriptive" means, or finish it.
That's not even remotely close to what I said. That's such a well written paragraph because he uses figurative language so well. Rowling has an incredible talent in creating a new world, environment, and everything that goes with it. She makes her stories real where Bradbury made his story thought-provoking.
Hitler was a great leader. He was wrong in the Holocaust, but he was one of the most charismatic leaders the world has ever seen. If he'd wanted to, he could've done some great things in the world.
You flip-flop on one issue. You say Rowling is over-descriptive. Then you say her descriptions are too simple? Pick one side, not the one most convenient for your argument.
Y'know, I have no problem getting into a good debate about literature, especially with someone who know what he or she is talking about. I don't enjoy it when people are asses on the internet, but it happens and I can deal with it prettty well. But the thing that pisses me off most about you is that you refuse to see reason and don't even recognize a fair argument. And you say the same thing over and over again. "Go back to fourth grade." Either grow a pair and try to actually debate, or just slip into the role of the spammer saying retarded things over and over again. You're in between, which is even worse. _________________ "If you're going through hell, keep going."
y does he keep telling every single one they are in grade school since we dont type perfect englsih on a forum and when he messes up he makes excuses wat a hypocrite _________________
Look, Ok, so pretty much Harry Potter is Lord of the Rings cross with Star Wars and has barely any original material in it (The only truly original thing was probably the Clique(Marauders), that wasn't in either of the previous stories I mentioned).
Her writing, at times, is poor and glances over the subject or character in question. Somethings make no sense and you have to sit there re-reading it trying to think what the hell she means. But for all it's short comings it is an interesting read, a good story and in my opinion very enjoyable. I like Harry Potter and it will rate as one of my favorite books of all time, but I'm not a Harry Potter Mark and I get pissed off by all these dickheads on this thread saying stupid crap like, JKR is a billionaire so that means Harry Potter is the best thing ever. Harry Potter is really good but I'm not some blind follower. The truth of the matter is that while Harry Potter is a great book, the reason it has sold so much is more because of controversy over the subject of witchcraft and themes "not suitable" for a childrens book. That is what got most peoples attention to the books, but the books did keep it so it is 50/50.
And on the subject of everyone saying "I'm 20 and 4th year Uni" and other people going "I in 4th Grade" and other people saying "mE go never aT sKool", I'll let everyone know my schooling:
I was expelled in year 9 (I dunno what that equals in other countries but Year 9 is the third year of high school here in Oz) I'm currently 22 and am a Butcher. _________________
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Poor punctuation, lack of captolization, and poorly contrived insults are a summary of J.K Rowling's writing ability and a representation of the ammount of inteligence common amongst Harry Potter fans.
That is correct! J.K Rowling's writing consists of all of those elements, she has no sense of grammar, does not capitalize and her books are filled with bad insults. There is a certain point where you just have to stop and think about what you are saying. You came into this forum with the intent to debate, not insult. I'm with you on the idea that other people posting shouldn't attack you with simple things as "you are a dumbass" but if you're really looking for an intelligent discussion you need to open yourself to other peoples opinions or yours will be dismissed. The fact that some people may be in grade school is frankly irrelevant, I'm sure someone as intelligent as yourself is capable of understanding "aimspeak" if you will (which is even being accepted in some Universities.) I haven't seen any threads where someone was bashing Bradbury and professing Rowling's greatness, which makes your attack on Rowling a bit unecessary. A simple "Does anybody want to compare Rowling's writing to that of Bradbury" would have been sufficient.
I strongly urge other people to stop attacking him with insults, you are all devoted Harry Potter fans no doubt, so do the book justice by giving valid reasons that support Rowling being a great writer. She deserves alot of credit for what she has done, in England her books have become a part of the academia along with other great literature. If realist turns out to be completely obstinate and unopen to any sort of reason, just let it be.
Im surprised people can get themselves so worked up over a matter of opinion.
Realist, your arguement is pointless and futile. You realize that your statement "JKR can not write good fiction" is simply your own opinion, and therefore cannot be proven either right or wrong? Tell me if Im missing the point of what youre saying, because I cant figure out what you were hoping to accomplish by posting here. _________________ "It is our choices, Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities." -Albus Dumbledore
i disagree. he wants power. not to be evil. of course he knows he is evil. but tht is not his end goal. his end goal is to be powerful. he achieves that by creating a fearsome image of himself so that people will be compelled to obey him. but he doesnt seek to kill those who:
1. are not in his way
2. are not muggles or mudbloods
oh and by the way, why exactly are her books popular? marketing? no... marketing wont create crazy fans. perhaps it is the story itself. _________________
I don't know if anyone has mentioned this or not.. (i don't really feel like going through 4 pages of nonsense)
I do believe that the author you mentioned you spelled the name wrong. Harlan Ellison is the correct spelling of the name. You put Harlen Ellison. (I'm having a Hermione moment)
Really if your going to try and argue with us and tell us JK is really a bad author you might want to check the spelling of the author's you tell us are better. _________________
"Potter, can I have your picture, Potter? Can I have your autograph? Can I lick your shoes, please, Potter?"- Draco Malfoy
I wasn't being mean. The only way he couldn't have heard of any of those writers would be if he was uneducated or still in grade school. It isn't my fault that being either of those is undesirable.
I haven't heard of anything by those authors either. Maybe it's just because you have bad taste in books, or even that you like unpopular authors?
Pretty much what I'm trying to say is... STOP BASHING JKR BEFORE ALL THE POTTER FANS BEAT YOU UP.
Oh, and also, my friend just looked up the authors that you mentioned, Harlen Ellison doesn't even exist. Correct me if I spelled the name wrong, but really? Do you have to make up authors? _________________
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Youre saying she can't write good fiction . Well , tbh I disagree . If you want topclass literature HP is not where you'll find it . But hell , that ain't necessary . People want to fantasize about those things , want to get away from planet earth and experience the Wizarding World . Giant hypes (cuz let's all be honest it was kinda made into a hype) will never be state of the art works , but that doesnt mean they cant be fun to read , fun to completely lose yourself in . Even hypes are based on some kind of decent fiction . She doesn't write Nobel-Prize-for-literature literature but she wrote decent literature , and once youre caught up in the story , it wont let you go .
You state that HP allways does the right thing , I couldnt disagree more ; deaths of his friends were often results of his mistakes (Sirius Black) . Everything being all well in the end was predictable , but if it wasn't all well in the end i would be pretty upset . Imagine reading more or less than 4000 pages and in the end the hero dies ? Pretty disappointing , no ?
And tbh I kinda liked the plot in the end , everything was sorted out , just as it should have been , you got everything you wanted . Nothing more but certainly nothing less .
And please , stop like youre the king of literature , because youre not so dont pretend . This isnt a spelling bee contest , its a forum . I'm not saying I dont respect your statement , i think it results in great discussions but please , stop insulting people because they forgot an 'l' in a word that actually doesnt matter . _________________
Youre saying she can't write good fiction . Well , tbh I disagree . If you want topclass literature HP is not where you'll find it . But hell , that ain't necessary . People want to fantasize about those things , want to get away from planet earth and experience the Wizarding World . Giant hypes (cuz let's all be honest it was kinda made into a hype) will never be state of the art works , but that doesnt mean they cant be fun to read , fun to completely lose yourself in . Even hypes are based on some kind of decent fiction . She doesn't write Nobel-Prize-for-literature literature but she wrote decent literature , and once youre caught up in the story , it wont let you go .
You state that HP allways does the right thing , I couldnt disagree more ; deaths of his friends were often results of his mistakes (Sirius Black) . Everything being all well in the end was predictable , but if it wasn't all well in the end i would be pretty upset . Imagine reading more or less than 4000 pages and in the end the hero dies ? Pretty disappointing , no ?
And tbh I kinda liked the plot in the end , everything was sorted out , just as it should have been , you got everything you wanted . Nothing more but certainly nothing less .
And please , stop like youre the king of literature , because youre not so dont pretend . This isnt a spelling bee contest , its a forum . I'm not saying I dont respect your statement , i think it results in great discussions but please , stop insulting people because they forgot an 'l' in a word that actually doesnt matter .
I agree with all of this. Harry Potter is already a classic and classic books are usually more than decent books. Think of it this way, most of us have read Harry Potter since we were little kids. Maybe this sounds stupid to you, realist, but there was a time in my life when I had a whole bunch of problems. Each time I felt down I'd just reread a Harry Potter book and it would always make me feel bad. I don't want your sympathy, but a book that can make everything a little better for a reader is an AMAZING book. I have yet to find a novel I like as much as Harry Potter. Does that make me ignorant? Certainly not! I mean, just because we don't read Farenheit 451 or whatever doesn't make us ignorant. Alot of the fans on this forum are mothers or in college. I'm a freshmen which, yeah, is young but I'm not a kid. Please, I think you're the kid here. While this forum has sparked up some interesting debate, it makes you look very stupid. Do you actually believe that die-hard Potter fans are going to suddenly stop reading the series because of the few posts you've written? Obviously you were sadly mistaken. Do you believe making no errors in grammar makes you superior to us in any way? If so, once again you are mistaken. I really believe you should listen to what all the people have said on here: go get a life. I mean seriously, I find it pretty pathetic that you wasted all your time making a profile on an HP forum just to trash the fans. Come on now, I agree with ilovedan.... go get a life. _________________
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I wasn't being mean. The only way he couldn't have heard of any of those writers would be if he was uneducated or still in grade school. It isn't my fault that being either of those is undesirable.
I haven't heard of anything by those authors either. Maybe it's just because you have bad taste in books, or even that you like unpopular authors?
Pretty much what I'm trying to say is... STOP BASHING JKR BEFORE ALL THE POTTER FANS BEAT YOU UP.
Oh, and also, my friend just looked up the authors that you mentioned, Harlen Ellison doesn't even exist. Correct me if I spelled the name wrong, but really? Do you have to make up authors?
They did spell the name wrong. Check my post above yours.. I corrected this person.. It's Harlan Ellison. _________________
"Potter, can I have your picture, Potter? Can I have your autograph? Can I lick your shoes, please, Potter?"- Draco Malfoy
Oh... haha, duh. _________________
I know the distance is a factor, but I stretch as often as I can and my goal is to reach your hand any day now.
I love you, Kevin. ♥
This is far too unoriginal to be escapism. Let me outline the Plot of Harry Potter.
Young, seemingly unimportant Harry Potter is discovered to be an extraordinary, one of a kind, powerful wizard, who is the only hope of saving the new wizard world he finds himself in. He meets Dumbledore, an old, wise man who is a master of wizardry, which harry is discovered to be a prodigious at. Dumbledore allows himself to be martyred by Snape, Voldemorts right hand man and apprentice, so that Harry may defeat Voldemort who wants to destroy good. After Dumbledore's death the Harry steps up and fulfils his destiny as the savior of wizardry, and defeats Voldemort, bringing balance back to the wizard world.
Now, let me outline the plot of Star Wars
Young, seemingly unimportant Luke Skywalker is discovered to be an extraordinary, one of a kind, powerful master of the force, who is the only hope of saving the new world of the force he finds himself in. He meets Obi-Wan Kenobi, an old, wise man who is a master of the force, which harry is discovered to be a prodigious at. Obi-Wan allows himself to be martyred by Darth Vader, The Emperor’s right hand man and apprentice, so that Harry may defeat the Emperor who wants to destroy good. After Obi-Wan's death Luke steps up and fulfils his destiny as the savior of the light side of the force, and defeats the Emperor, bringing balance back to the force.
LMAO!!! HA HA HA HA! you are soo funny, you dont know what you are proving there
you do realise that there has only ever been one story told in the whole world ever and in case your small mind cannot figure this out then i will tell you...
The Only Story Ever Told
A person is looking for something or someone that they want or need.
something or someone gets in their way of getting what they want/need.
The person (main character) either gets what they want or they don't get what they want or need.
So basically you comparing star wars and harry potter as being the same is ridiculous, because i just showed you that every story in the world is exactly the same. So obviously no one is in this world is creative or smart according to you.
The only person who is actually a good writer, according to you is the person who told the first story.
Do not diss something that many people in this word love and grew up with. I have heard many people say that J.K.Rowling is a bad writer, how can she be a bad writer when so many people read her books, she writes in a way we can all understand, not in a way where every single sentence has a secret meaning to it, and you dont have to have a friggin degree just to read her books.
Go and get a life, you lonely lonely man or woman _________________ Voldemort voldemort ooo voldey voldey voldey-mort
i believe, that the only story ever told, is called the MONOMYTH... i think joseph campbell gave that term. so before judging harry potter, think first, because all the other stories start out that way. The Lion, the witch and the wardrobe, the lord of the rings, star wars... well starwars was inspired by the monomyth thing. so before dismissing such tales, read up on the monomyth first. _________________
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and when he messes up he makes excuses wat a hypocrite
