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Post August 19th, 2007, 2:08 pm

Why didn't Harry die?

Can someone explain why he didn't die when he went into the forest? I got confused at that part...
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Post August 19th, 2007, 3:33 pm

In GoF, Voldemort used a tiny part of Harry's blood to return, so they both had the protection from Lily in them. So as long as Voldemort was alive, Harry was tethered to the world and alive by that connection.
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Post August 19th, 2007, 4:26 pm

ginastags2315 wrote:In GoF, Voldemort used a tiny part of Harry's blood to return, so they both had the protection from Lily in them. So as long as Voldemort was alive, Harry was tethered to the world and alive by that connection.
So why didn't it work for Voldemort too?
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Post August 19th, 2007, 4:31 pm

That's a good question. Maybe because he only had Harry's blood, but his father's bones and wormtails "flesh" in his new body. He didn't get all the benefits. Just enough to be able to touch Harry and to tether Harry to life.
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Post August 19th, 2007, 5:32 pm

well.. possibly because he attempted to kill harry?
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Post August 19th, 2007, 5:41 pm

I also believe that in part it was because at the time he died, Harry possessed all of the Deathly Hallows. He had the cloak, the stone and the wand. I believe that is what really gave him the choice of being able to move on past the pain of living or chose to go back. (Just my opinion and thoughts and what I got out of re-reading those chapters many many times over).
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Post August 19th, 2007, 5:45 pm

I KNOW WHY.. her protection expired when harry turned 17.. so neither harry or voldemort had the protection..


harry didnt die because he had TWO souls in him.. his and a piece of voldemorts.. by giving himself up .. this caused the avada kedavra to kill voldy's soul not harrys..
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Post August 19th, 2007, 9:04 pm

But technically the AK curse kills the body not the soul or it would have killed Voldy back when it originally backfired on him. But it didn't, it just destroyed his body and his soul was left to roam the land. Yes because of the Hoxacrues but there was still the piece that was in his body alive. If AK killed the soul, it would have destroyed that piece too and Voldy would have been forced to live through one of the Hoxacrues.
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Post August 19th, 2007, 10:35 pm

Lucy wrote:But technically the AK curse kills the body not the soul or it would have killed Voldy back when it originally backfired on him. But it didn't, it just destroyed his body and his soul was left to roam the land. Yes because of the Hoxacrues but there was still the piece that was in his body alive. If AK killed the soul, it would have destroyed that piece too and Voldy would have been forced to live through one of the Hoxacrues.


That is not how a horcrux works. As long as you have a horcrux, then the part of the soul that is inside of your body cannot die, or rather pass on. In HP, souls don't die anyway, they go onto another place. If AK did not make the souls pass on, then nobody would actually be dead. The reason that Voldemorts soul did not move on the day that the AK backfired in 1981 was becaese he had horcruxes. Instead, the piece of soul that was left split into two pieces. His body did die, though, and that was why the two pieces of his soul had to find people to feed off of. One piece latched onto Harry, and the other piece was what we saw in PS/SS. That was the piece that became Voldemort in the body later in the series.
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Post August 20th, 2007, 1:25 pm

yea what she said ^ but what i thought was that once harry died his soul went to a different place... and Dumbledore found it and told harry it wasnt his time.... he had to die in order to kill the Horcrux.... so harry's soul was lead back to his body.... and then the rest you guys should all kno
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Post August 20th, 2007, 2:06 pm

When voldemory shot the AK curse at harry in the forest, Harry and the horcrux within harry died. However, because harry possesed/controlled the deathly hallows, he could make a choice to return to the earthly world.
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Post August 22nd, 2007, 3:45 am

Severus wrote:When voldemory shot the AK curse at harry in the forest, Harry and the horcrux within harry died. However, because harry possesed/controlled the deathly hallows, he could make a choice to return to the earthly world.


thats my best guess too, the only weak points in that view is that he didnt phisically have the wand or the stone on him at the time, only the cloak so just how were the hallows to determin he was in possesion?

The wand has hinted at the end was at his bidding, as he had won rights to it from Draco, but even that is... iffy because when he got Draco's wand it was not the hallow but his regular wand.

As for the stone, I belive it just belongs to who ever holds it at the time, and he droped it on the ground.


The book very much more specficly says tho and Dumbledore said this word for word almost That Harry is tethered to life while Voldemort lives because Voldemort used harrys blood when he got his body back.

So thats word for word how harry came back pretty much, but it makes all the hallows business pretty much pointless because that means he never needed them or used them (other than his cloak obvously)
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Post August 23rd, 2007, 8:21 am

yeah and when he was at kings cross the baby type thing was the piece of voldys soul that had died when harry did, so that couldnt come back to life, however harry had the 3 hallows and so could make the choice to come back
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Post August 23rd, 2007, 2:44 pm

Yes, also on this note

Harry and Dumbledor wanted the same death. If he didnt fight back the wand wouldnt switch owners. Harry didnt fight back and in doing so evoked the protection on the school, and he died like dumbledor making him the wand owner sitll. Then the blood connecting them, amde them both hit the ground. Blah blah blah.
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Post August 26th, 2007, 11:59 am

er, I got the impression that it was because he had the Ressurection Stone with him....?
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Post August 26th, 2007, 9:59 pm

He didnt have the stone tho it was on the ground somewhere.
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Post August 27th, 2007, 12:49 pm

He doesn't die because he has a horcrux inside him, which the killing curse from Voldemort destroys.
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Post August 31st, 2007, 4:47 pm

Harry had2 souls, one was a part of Voldemort's and one was his own. When Voldemort killed him, he knocked that part of Voldemort's own sould out.
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Post August 31st, 2007, 8:30 pm

harryrocks3f wrote:Harry had2 souls, one was a part of Voldemort's and one was his own. When Voldemort killed him, he knocked that part of Voldemort's own sould out.


Part of his soul was not in Voldemort. His blood was. Harry had no horcruxes, accidental or otherwise. Jo would never do that to him.
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Post August 31st, 2007, 9:21 pm

Oh, whatever
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Post August 31st, 2007, 9:30 pm

zengrenouille wrote:
harryrocks3f wrote:Harry had2 souls, one was a part of Voldemort's and one was his own. When Voldemort killed him, he knocked that part of Voldemort's own sould out.


Part of his soul was not in Voldemort. His blood was. Harry had no horcruxes, accidental or otherwise. Jo would never do that to him.


Yes it was. Page 568:
"You were the seventh Horcrux, Harry, the Horcrux he never meant to
make."
And by definition (page 464 HBP) "A Horcrux is the word used for an object in which a person has concealed part of their soul."
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Post August 31st, 2007, 9:35 pm

I know I know! I just probablty forgot...
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Post August 31st, 2007, 9:38 pm

teacakes wrote:
zengrenouille wrote:
harryrocks3f wrote:Harry had2 souls, one was a part of Voldemort's and one was his own. When Voldemort killed him, he knocked that part of Voldemort's own sould out.


Part of his soul was not in Voldemort. His blood was. Harry had no horcruxes, accidental or otherwise. Jo would never do that to him.


Yes it was. Page 568:
"You were the seventh Horcrux, Harry, the Horcrux he never meant to
make."
And by definition (page 464 HBP) "A Horcrux is the word used for an object in which a person has concealed part of their soul."



I was saying that Harry didn't have a horcrux. We all know that he was a horcrux, but Harryrocks was sying that Harry had a horcrux of his own inside of Voldemort. His blood was in Voldy, but not a piece of his soul. Jo would never do that to Harry. Once a piece of you woul is gone, it is irreparable. Besides, the only way to rip you soul is to kill someone. Every horcrux that Voldy made, he had to kill someone to make it. Harry never killed anyone. Harry was a horcrux, but he did not have a horcrux.
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Post August 31st, 2007, 9:44 pm

^ I think that what Harryrocks was saying was badly worded, hence the misunderstanding. But apologies for the miscommunication zen(if i can call you that lol). Harryrocks can you clarify what you meant please.
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Post August 31st, 2007, 9:48 pm

teacakes wrote:^ I think that what Harryrocks was saying was badly worded, hence the misunderstanding. But apologies for the miscommunication zen(if i can call you that lol). Harryrocks can you clarify what you meant please.


It's ok. Yes you can call me zen. I don't mean to sound rude when I post, because that is not the way I am saying these things in my head. I am just trying to clear the misunderstandings or Harryrocks. I think it comes off as snibbish in the forum, but I am being anything but a snob.
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