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The portraits can speak, advise, and help. If they have a "mind" as in they think and have personality, then that totally contradicts death. Dumbledore is not really gone, nor is Sirius, Lily, and James, or anyone for that matter, as long as there is a portrait of them. I brought this up with my sister, and she thought that perhaps the portraits don't have any memory of their past life, but to me that doesn't seem likely. For example, Phineas knew he was a Slytherin and he knew of his family. So is anyone really gone, as long as a portrait remains?

But then again if this is true than why this:

Posts: 581 · Posted: August 15, 2005 10:52 am Post subject:

I think the portraits are important, but I dont see Dumbredore coming back nor Sirus. Maybe if all ends well we may see more from them thanks to their portraits but i dont think them coming back will play an important part in the last book. It will be about Harry, and Harry alone(with the help of his friends) who will defeat Voldie, he has to become a man, he has take his destiny into his own hands without any guides(notice how both Dumble and Sirus died) I think JK is trying to do something here.

Hopefully, in the end *When harry defeats Voldie* we will have that change to see dumbledore once again:) *crosses fingers*
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True, true. But I didn't mean coming back in the flesh, I meant his portrait could be a representation of him, and therefore he wouldn't have to come back to life in order to 'come back'.

Er.. Does that make sense?
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Posts: 581 · Posted: August 15, 2005 11:04 am Post subject:

Hahaha Yes it does! I know exactly what you mean.

Off Topic: I dont know if i lived in the wizardingi word im not sure i would want to have my loved one portraits talking to me hahaha, to painful seeing them reduced to that...

Edit: Or maybe i have a really traditional view on death LOL Shocked

Ignore me, im going crazy:)
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Ok, that's a relief. I'm glad to know my posts have clarity.. Smile

*sits down and eats a cracker*
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Posts: 581 · Posted: August 15, 2005 11:14 am Post subject:

Ummmm Crackers Yummmie:)
Im gonna go get myself some crackers....

Edit: I love the Zoo crackers, i like the animal shapes but its sad because i cry each time i eat one of them...too cute:(
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lol

Personaly, I'm a Ritz person.
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Posts: 20 · Joined: Aug 12, 2005 Posts: 20

Great thread - I have been thinking about this myself!

In earlier books the portraits have said that they're "bound to serve Hogwarts and the Headmaster" (remember Phineas Nigellus getting reprimanded for insolence?) so I think Albus is there in that capacity.

McGonagall obviously knows she can call on Albus but for whatever reason (probably she knows the true limits of the portraits' abilities) but she is the new Headmistress now and needs to take matters into her own hands at the moment.

I think we'll be hearing more from Albus via his portrait...but only regarding the past, or doing "watchful" things via his other portraits like the other portraits do. I'm guessing he can't directly advise or predict any more...only reflect on what he knew in his lifetime. Which was a LOT!

Other ideas?

Posts: 581 · Posted: August 16, 2005 4:25 pm Post subject:

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i think the only pictures that talk are the pictures of people that play significant roles in the wizarding world remember harry has a book with pictures of his parents but they don't talk they only move.

Posts: 581 · Posted: August 16, 2005 5:02 pm Post subject:

I think there is a difference between picture and portrait....
Right? At least in the wizarding world?
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ya your right i didn't bother to widen the view i just looked at it as a picture.

Posts: 581 · Posted: August 16, 2005 5:08 pm Post subject:

:)No Prob:)
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it definetly makes sence but i dont think jk would give it away so easily.
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Posts: 581 · Posted: August 17, 2005 4:50 pm Post subject:

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even if it does diminish his character i doubt jk will cut it out harrys suppose to be of average intelligence. How is he going to track down the horcruxes let alone know how to destroy them

Posts: 20 · Joined: Aug 12, 2005 Posts: 20

I see your point about diminishing the character...maybe Albus's portrait will have something special in store.

It occurs to me too... this is off topic-ish...Fawkes has got to play a role! Fawkes is so connected to Dumbledore, acts for him, represents him (delivering the sword in Book 2) AND to Harry/Voldemort (his tail feather in both wands) that something's got to be up there. I mean...how the heck did Fawkes come to give those feathers? How long has he been with Albus? Maybe that'll be what Albus's portrait reveals? Just a theory!

Posts: 581 · Posted: August 18, 2005 7:38 pm Post subject:

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even in the sixth book at the cave harry thinks about how dumbledore knows what to do he it just makes me think he needs help somehow i mean how long would harry have sat there if he didn't have dumbledore.

Posts: 581 · Posted: August 19, 2005 8:13 pm Post subject:

Spoiler:

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It might end up like in the beginging when Harry first met Voldermort, Ron and Hermione might have to help him but in the end he might have to face him alone.
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I have a thought..... The pheonix dies and turns into a ball of fire then rises from the ashes...... Dumbledore was leader of the order of the pheonix, and has a pheonix..... He always talks about ancient majic, does he have a way of escaping death.....like the pheonex??

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Nice comparison Smile

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Posts: 581 · Posted: August 21, 2005 9:15 pm Post subject:

Nice theory...i like it:)!
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