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Do you think the fifth film is the worst in the series?
Yes, definately.
20%
 20%  [ 31 ]
Yes, should've been better but no so bad.
34%
 34%  [ 52 ]
No, it was on the same level with the previous ones.
7%
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Definately not. It was quite enjoyable.
37%
 37%  [ 56 ]
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PostPosted: August 16, 2007 8:22 pm    Post subject: HP5, WORST movie in the series! who agrees? Reply with quote

For those who are big fans of the fifth movie, just skip this part! The words below only stand for my PERSONAL opinion.

Spoiler:

For me, the fifth film is the worst one in the whole series I have ever seen! Crying Crying Crying Crying Crying Let me point out several reasons of my position.

First, WORST plot. It is true that the movie director must delete many scenes of the original book to fit his movie in such a short time, he, at least, shouldn't ignore crucial events in the movie. Just allow me to give some examples. 1. In the book, Harry was quite angry with Ron and Hermione in Grimmauld Place because they didn't keep him informed about Voldy events. However, in the movie, he DID get angry, which is confusing, because I can't see a slightest trace why. Actually the film completely ignore the part in which Harry got depressed and desperate for information at Privet Drive. 2. Harry's unwitting intrusion into Snape's memory is a crucial hint for the following plot and even for the following books. Again, the film only revealed a couple of shots absentmindedly and just skipped the part. 3. The Order of the Phoenix seems just a minor and negligible thing in the movie, not even as important as D.A. The film simply brushed aside all the scenes inside Grimmauld Place and glossed over the whole thing with a few pictures of Order members. For God's sake, it's the title of the book and the essential strength for the later installments!.........etc. I don't have to say more.

Second, WORST costume. It is quite perceptible that David Yates tried to create a magical world different from the previous four. However, he got too far. In the movie, many characters started to wear clothes contradicting with their original style. Bellatrix Lestrange dressed like a lunatic, not a desperate criminal. Hogwarts students forgot to wear wizard robes in the Great Hall. And the most ridiculous part is that Voldemort, who hated Muggle so much, even started to wear suit! Maybe Yates was just too excited for his opportunity of such a great movie and forgot to read the book!

Third, WORST special effects. The fifth movie was thought to be full of dazzing artificial effects because so many new things and events showed up and happenedin it, such as the Room of Requirement, Hagrid's brother, DA's fight with Death Eaters, not to mention Dumbordore-Voldemort big fight. However, the film disappoints me again. The seemingly exciting fight between Harry's buddies and death eaters was depicted as a big escape and everyone's spell except Harry's can only blow away enemies, not Stun them. And the big fight bettween D and V was more like a firework than an actual battle. The magical Room of Requirement seemed only a room with shrinking door. The new Giant's appearance is way off the mark because of clumsy computer 3D effects. The whole movie failed to give the impression that the charaters are living in a real, magical world but seem to be in a huge, artificial room. The classical scenery in the previous movies of the British castle is wiped out of the film.

Fourth, WORST director. It seems to me that all of the huge flaws in the film is largely due to the new director. And what is even more worrying is that he has decided to direct the sixth movie as well! I don't know who is more anxious, HP fans or the director of the seventh movie? With so many plots deleted, the seventh movie will be destroyed because, as we know, the previous six books mainly serve as a preparaion for the final battle. In my opinion, the essential point is that David Yates emphasized too much on his personal preferences and not remotely enough on the original book. So watching the movie gives the impression that the director is flustered, rushing from one scene to another without any necessary connections. The movie is not a movie, it's just a huge collection of images and videos.

Fifth, WOES for successive movies. As I have mentioned earlier, the fifth film missed too much crucial details about the magic world. The biggest example there is the Order of the Phoenix. I dare say that an audience who has never read HP books would be confused at the mention of the Order. What is it? What is it up to? Absolutely no idea from the movie! All one can know about it is that it's a crowd of wizards. Another crucial point is Dobby, which is completely abridged from the film. Without it, one cannot possibly understand why Harry was so depressed when Dobby died in the DH. Furthermore, the humiliation Harry had gone through for sticking to the truth about Voldemort's return was just casually mentioned. And the misunderstanding between Harry and Dumbordore was brushed away. With all these negligence, the plot for the sixth and seventh films is impossible.

Finally, another minor flaw exists in the cast. As actors grow older and more mature, some of them seem too affected and artful than before. One of them is Emma Watson. I don't know why but she kept breathing heavily throughout the movie, her eyebrows kept racing up and down and she was speaking way too fast(Nervous?). Maybe we still need to wait for a few years for her acting skills to pick up.

Therefore, I think the big trend is this: The books are getting better and better while the movies are getting sluggish. I still love the first movie of the serious best. Everything in that movie seems great. Great cast, great scenes, great music.... just everything. I sincerely hope David Yates can actually learn something from his predecessors and present a better movie.



Again I have to say, words above only represent my PERSONAL opinion. You guys have the same feeling with me?


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PostPosted: August 16, 2007 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After reading that (even thought I don't agree with everything), I'm depressed... Sad
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PostPosted: August 17, 2007 1:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sorry but I don't exactly follow you, amberluvsron. Do you mean you don't agree with every single word or some of them?
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PostPosted: August 17, 2007 4:21 am    Post subject: Re: HP5, WORST movie in the summer! (SPOILER) Reply with quote

Franklin Wang wrote:
For those who are big fans of the fifth movie, just skip this part! The words below only stand for my PERSONAL opinion.

Spoiler:

For me, the fifth film is the worst one in the whole series I have ever seen! Crying Crying Crying Crying Crying Let me point out several reasons of my position.

First, WORST plot. It is true that the movie director must delete many scenes of the original book to fit his movie in such a short time, he, at least, shouldn't ignore crucial events in the movie. Just allow me to give some examples. 1. In the book, Harry was quite angry with Ron and Hermione in Grimmauld Place because they didn't keep him informed about Voldy events. However, in the movie, he DID get angry, which is confusing, because I can't see a slightest trace why. Actually the film completely ignore the part in which Harry got depressed and desperate for information at Privet Drive. 2. Harry's unwitting intrusion into Snape's memory is a crucial hint for the following plot and even for the following books. Again, the film only revealed a couple of shots absentmindedly and just skipped the part. 3. The Order of the Phoenix seems just a minor and negligible thing in the movie, not even as important as D.A. The film simply brushed aside all the scenes inside Grimmauld Place and glossed over the whole thing with a few pictures of Order members. For God's sake, it's the title of the book and the essential strength for the later installments!.........etc. I don't have to say more.

Second, WORST costume. It is quite perceptible that David Yates tried to create a magical world different from the previous four. However, he got too far. In the movie, many characters started to wear clothes contradicting with their original style. Bellatrix Lestrange dressed like a lunatic, not a desperate criminal. Hogwarts students forgot to wear wizard robes in the Great Hall. And the most ridiculous part is that Voldemort, who hated Muggle so much, even started to wear suit! Maybe Yates was just too excited for his opportunity of such a great movie and forgot to read the book!

Third, WORST special effects. The fifth movie was thought to be full of dazzing artificial effects because so many new things and events showed up and happenedin it, such as the Room of Requirement, Hagrid's brother, DA's fight with Death Eaters, not to mention Dumbordore-Voldemort big fight. However, the film disappoints me again. The seemingly exciting fight between Harry's buddies and death eaters was depicted as a big escape and everyone's spell except Harry's can only blow away enemies, not Stun them. And the big fight bettween D and V was more like a firework than an actual battle. The magical Room of Requirement seemed only a room with shrinking door. The new Giant's appearance is way off the mark because of clumsy computer 3D effects. The whole movie failed to give the impression that the charaters are living in a real, magical world but seem to be in a huge, artificial room. The classical scenery in the previous movies of the British castle is wiped out of the film.

Fourth, WORST director. It seems to me that all of the huge flaws in the film is largely due to the new director. And what is even more worrying is that he has decided to direct the sixth movie as well! I don't know who is more anxious, HP fans or the director of the seventh movie? With so many plots deleted, the seventh movie will be destroyed because, as we know, the previous six books mainly serve as a preparaion for the final battle. In my opinion, the essential point is that David Yates emphasized too much on his personal preferences and not remotely enough on the original book. So watching the movie gives the impression that the director is flustered, rushing from one scene to another without any necessary connections. The movie is not a movie, it's just a huge collection of images and videos.

Finally, another minor flaw exists in the cast. As actors grow older and more mature, some of them seem too affected and artful than before. One of them is Emma Watson. I don't know why but she kept breathing heavily throughout the movie, her eyebrows kept racing up and down and she was speaking way too fast(Nervous?). Maybe we still need to wait for a few years for her acting skills to pick up.

Therefore, I think the big trend is this: The books are getting better and better while the movies are getting sluggish. I still love the first movie of the serious best. Everything in that movie seems great. Great cast, great scenes, great music.... just everything.



Again I have to say, words above only represent my PERSONAL opinion. You guys have the same feeling with me?


This film was the worst one so far for me too. I found that all the other films took me away to a magical world where I was able to enjoy them. I never liked any of the films as much as the book, but I was at least able to enjoy the others. This one made me feel sad and disapointed when I walked out of the theater.

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I agree fully that way to much was cut out about what happened with the Order. I mean the Order was so essential, and even what happened at the house with things like the locket and such. Some of my favorite laugh out loud moments from the book were not there either such as the screaming portriat of Mrs. Black.

I hated the point that everyone was walking around in regular clothes. Part of the magic of the movies has been in the Hogwarts robes. The school uniform really made you feel like you were in a different place, a world seperate from our own. When the kids were walking around without their robes it just didn't feel right!

The special effects were not great, but I have seen movies with worse as far as that goes. I just didn't feel they were quite as fitting to the movie as perhaps they should have been.

I think the things that disturbed me the most is the way that some of the charater reactions were not even in line with what happened in the book. The biggest one that stood out to me was the photo of the old Order Members. In the book it is not Sirus at the train station who gives this photo to Harry, and Harry is not particularly happy when he gets it. I think that by changing this bit of the story it cast Harry into a different light. Maybe that is just me though. I also don't like how it is Cho who turns them in because in the book IT WASN'T HER!!! I was just overly fustrated by all these small changes that overall changed the whole story. I understand that some things need to be left out on in order to make it fit into a movie, but there was just to much left out.

I also felt as if the entire film was rushed. It was like I was in a speed boat going so fast that everything was a blur. I was truely disapointed in this film and sad to hear that the director would be doing the next movie as well Sad

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PostPosted: August 17, 2007 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with everything said. It was the worst movie as far as staying close to the book, at least. And yeah, Voldemort in a suit? Just...no.
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PostPosted: August 17, 2007 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i agree to some things that were said like the eybrows of emma(i was beginning to think that i was the only one who noticed that), voldemort in a suit, and the DD/Voldie battle was too short.

i agree with some bad things for a different reason. like when harry got mad at his friends i don't think he really yelled. he just sort of spoke to them in a frustrated way.

i dont agree that bella's costume was bad. i think it fit her personality perfectly.i also love emma, and rupert, and dan and can overlook thier minor flaws. i also don't like the first movie very much.
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PostPosted: August 17, 2007 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't seen it yet, I was going to this weekend, but now...I actually probably will still see it, but thanks for your opinion.
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PostPosted: August 17, 2007 9:56 pm    Post subject: Why not a longer movie? Reply with quote

I just don't know why Warner can't make a longer movie or just make it two. I think 5 hours will be quite enough for a 700-page book. If someone think five hours is too long, why not split it into two, like HP5-1 and HP5-2? Of course the cost will be much higher, but the profit will go up too!
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PostPosted: August 18, 2007 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree, or even just make it three hours at least. I mean When you are pushing yourself to stay so close to 2 hours it is hard. They get so afraid of that 3 hour mark these days, but there are a lot of 3 hour movies out there and everyone watches them just as much as the 2 hour ones.
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PostPosted: August 19, 2007 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i thought GoF was worse...


I agree with the whole thing on how people who haven't read the book won't understand about the order and all that... I agree with you on the costumes like they wear jeans all the time at hogwarts, and voldemort in a suit and of coarse i agree with them cutting dobby he was my favorite character.

even though emma was doing the eyebrow thing and talking fast i sill think the movie would be worse if they got rid of her... i can ignore the minor things like ronfreak said.

the whole DD/voldy fight was short but if they had made that longer than they would have cut even more stuff... which then it would be more confusing than it already was...
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PostPosted: August 19, 2007 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think my biggest complaint on the costumes was that whenever they wore the robes and tie to class or the great hall or whatever it gave you the feeling of actually being somewhere else. When I was back in school we just all wore jeans and shirts, no uniform. I like the uniform because it was unique to Hogwarts and gave you the feeling of really being somewhere that was not the "muggle" world. When I watch a movie, I like to feel like I am part of the action. Like I could be there. I have been able to have that feeling with each of the movies up to this one.Sad
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PostPosted: August 19, 2007 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I definitely think that OotP could have been a lot better, but in no way do I think it was the worst of the series. I think GoF holds that title, by far. I mean, I enjoyed GoF, but it was definitely the worst in the series, imo. I certainly enjoyed OotP more than GoF.
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PostPosted: August 19, 2007 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was so excited for OOTP because I enjoyed the book so much and when I walked out of the theater I felt almost out of breath because everything just moved so fast. I have at least been able to enjoy GOF. I couldn't do that with OOTP.
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PostPosted: August 20, 2007 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: August 20, 2007 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i do think it was the worst HP movie but i still liked it. the voldy in a suit thing, i think that was just harry's imagination. because he obviously wasnt actualy at the platform. when he was in the department of mysteries he wasnt in a suit was he? a bad thing for me was it didnt do anything at grimauld place! like the cleaning. that was a very important part
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because of the locket, i wonder how theyre going to introduce it in the next movie.

also the boggart and Mrs. Weasley. that wasnt a very important part but it would have been interesting. and btw, even though it was a 2 and a half hour movie, it seemed to go by very fast for me.. maybe it was because i really had to pee... Question Rolling Eyes oh and now im a bit afraid of the sixth movie they better do the line,
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Dumbledore:"Im not afraid Harry,Im with you.


of they do that line i will cry Crying
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PostPosted: August 20, 2007 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can honestly say I was disappointed by the movie...too much was left out and changed. As a fan of the book, I went in wanting to see things that weren't there. I was upset by some of the stuff that was changed because some of it completely went against things in the book.

It makes me worry about what they'll do in the sixth and seventh movies.

Does JKR have the power to step in and say..."No, that's not how that works?"
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PostPosted: August 20, 2007 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I think a big problem was the change in screenwriters. I'm kind of glad Kloves is back because he doesnt change so many things that it goes against the book.
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Yeah, I think she does. I think that was part of her contract with them. I know that was part of the reason it took a while before they started doing the first ones. She was nervous about them changing to much and up to this point I thought they did okay.
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PostPosted: August 20, 2007 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

She absolutely does have a say it what goes on. It's because of her Kreacher was in the movie at all.


I would love love love to know what they are going to do about the locket. Are they just going to randomly notice it on Umbridge's neck?
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Yep. I bet if it wasn't for her he'd never been in any of the movies.
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PostPosted: August 20, 2007 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GinnyX wrote:
I would love love love to know what they are going to do about the locket. Are they just going to randomly notice it on Umbridge's neck?


Probably not change much. They'll recognize RAB as Regulus, talk to Kreacher, he'll point them to ... someone... who will point them to Umbridge. Its just that middle person who they will have to change. They have about 18 months to figure it out based on the schedule. Or they can introduce Mundungus briefly in the 6th movie stealing from 12 Grimmauld Place.
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