I would tend to agree with the first part of your post, Hermione, but for the second... I have two theories : if you have a horcrux, your soul can be spared, but then you have to use the part of your soul that's in the horcrux to "resurrect" so that would mean that there are only 5 horcruzes left.
But the other theory is : horcruxes can be "safety measures", ie. if you have a horcrux, you have the possibility to use it to come back, but you don't really "use it up", and then Voldemort just did more of them, so that if one (or more) of them is (are) distroyed, then the others are left...
And then there's the theorie that Harry (or his scar) could be Voldemort's last horcrux (since it's only Harry's speculation that makes him think that the last horcrux is something from Gryffindor or Ravenclaw) and then the last part of the professy coud make sense : "neither can live while the othe one survives"
what do you think ?
(Yey, it's my very first post, and a long one !)
Welcome! That’s a very good first post. _________________
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FYI... Naga is a Sanskrit word for snake. Nagini is a female snake. Think India. Sanskrit is an Ancient Indian Language. Hinduism and Buddhism were both first written in Sanskrit. ( I just googled it) _________________ You're just jealous cause the voices only talk to me!
If Harry's scar is a Horcrux, then why the hell is Voldie trying to kill Harry? Wouldn't it be better that he leaves Harry alone. After all he is more protected than any other wizard so there is not much of a chance of him dying on an accident also.
If Voldie thinks that Harry is a danger to him, then why the hell would Voldie make a Horcrux with Harry's scar in the first place cause he's anyway gonna kill him. (Remember, Voldie had heard the prophecy or whatever before he came to kill Harry)
Don't tell me that he's gonna preserve Harry's body after killing him because his scar is a Horcrux! _________________ Never miss a good chance to shut up!
Spoiler:
Regulus's full name -
Regulus Arcturus Black
Could be R.A.B
then why the hell would Voldie make a Horcrux with Harry's scar in the first place cause he's anyway gonna kill him. (Remember, Voldie had heard the prophecy or whatever before he came to kill Harry)
The Horcrux theory states that Voldie didn't intend to create a horcrux that night. It was an "accident".
Don't tell me that he's gonna preserve Harry's body after killing him because his scar is a Horcrux!
LOL! That is "apparently" gonna be the big twist in book 7 (if we are to follow the horcrux theory) Harry will realize that his scar is the last missing horcrux, and Voldie is gonna find out too and well *Insert Book 7 ending here* _________________
Hey you guys, this is my first post.
Anyways, i just wanted to make a point that the scar can't possibly be a hocrux because that would mean that Harry is a Hocrux. I don't know about you but I think a scar is part of you.
_________________ "WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORENCE IS STRENGHTH" - "1984" By George Orwell
In the 6th book Dumbledore says that voldie was one short of six horcruxes when he killed Harry's parents, it was later when voldemort kills the old man in little hangleton that he creates the the sixth Horcrux - Nagini.
So Voldemort could have intended to kill the person who has been prophecied to kill voldemort - Harry Potter , then turn him into an Inferi or something, and then make Harry his sixth Horcrux.
Considering Voldemort's pride he would have done this as a statement to Dumbledore.
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the prophecy says that neither can live while the other survives so it could mean that one has to die for the other to die.
Dubledore at the end of the sixth book says that the three remaining horcruxes are Hufflepuffs cup and something of Ravenclaw and one unknown.
That could (has to be) Harry's scar or Harry.
You said it yourself, "neither can live while the other survives", which means that for one of them to live, the other has to die. So it can´t be possible that for one to die the other has to die too, it makes no sence... _________________ Sonita
You are probably right about your theory saying that Harry will live, I hope he does, i think i didnt understand the prophecy properly. _________________ I made this Sig
He 's got Ginny, Ron and Hermione to care of him. I think he wont die but he might leave everyone and live alone and no one would know where he is. _________________ I made this Sig
I´m sorry, I don´t wanna be mean, but, despite his friends, just put yourself in his place: His has never met his family, the only thing he had, that was like a family, or what was left of it, Sirius, is "dead" (at least it is what he thinks), Dumbeldore, his "role model" is "dead" too (I don´t know what will happen, but that is what he thinks, right?), as I said before, the only thing that hasn´t happened yet, is Nerville burning accidentally Hogwats down (the only place he ever felt like home).
I´m sorry, but if I were the guy, I just would jump from the astronomy tower and end my misery.... _________________ Sonita
I´m sorry, I don´t wanna be mean, but, despite his friends, just put yourself in his place: His has never met his family, the only thing he had, that was like a family, or what was left of it, Sirius, is "dead" (at least it is what he thinks), Dumbeldore, his "role model" is "dead" too (I don´t know what will happen, but that is what he thinks, right?), as I said before, the only thing that hasn´t happened yet, is Nerville burning accidentally Hogwats down (the only place he ever felt like home).
I´m sorry, but if I were the guy, I just would jump from the astronomy tower and end my misery....
Wow, that’s pathetic, what kind of loser is going to give up on life because people close to him died? What’s next Harry cutting himself in the bathroom? At its core Harry Potter is a children’s book, J.K isn’t going to kill off Harry because his “family” died. There are two options:
1.Harry dies stopping V at the end of the book, it isn’t depression that causes him to do this but courage or maybe stupidity.
2.Harry is on the verge of death, he’s almost beaten V, and they are both going to die soon. Harry fantasizes about seeing his family and friends again in the “next world”. When he suddenly realizes his death is going to affect all his living friends, he is actually been selfish. He will simply pass away but his living friends will have to deal with the pain of losing Harry. Harry will use all his strength to live, and live on for all those who died, and carry on their names. To him even if they are dead, they will always be with him in spirit. Harry can easily live past a 100, new friends and new family will come into his life.
As Others who have more problems than Harry have said :
But we also got to take into consideration that Harry isn’t anywhere near as cool as these 2 guys. _________________
Someone is pissed...
I just mean that I don´t think the guy has much more to live for, and therefeore, if he dies (wiich is VERY possible), it will be much easier to let go...
Children read this book, so what? Sirius dies, Dombledore died, Harry´s parentes died... there are many deaths in this book... _________________ Sonita
I think the whole basis of this thread got started because of JKR said the last thing would be about the scar. What if it really isn't a Horcrux and it just disappears after LV dies? Then again, I can hear Hermoine arguing that it could still be a Horcrux and vanish after LV is dead.
To Sonita, Gosh girl you are really fixated on the fact that Harry doesn't have a family. People don't just give up because they don't have a family. They actually form pseudo families with friends they make. Harry has lots of support from many people. But, that wasn't the reason behind JKR having DD die in HBP. It wasn't to say you're all alone, but to say you can't rely on others to face LV for you. You're gonna half to do it yourself.
This story is your basic good vs evil plot and the good guy wins and is left standing. I don't think JKR can even think of killing off Harry. I don't think the younger kids would understand. _________________ You're just jealous cause the voices only talk to me!
Someone is pissed...
I just mean that I don´t think the guy has much more to live for, and therefeore, if he dies (wiich is VERY possible), it will be much easier to let go...
Children read this book, so what? Sirius dies, Dombledore died, Harry´s parentes died... there are many deaths in this book...
Sorry if I sounded mad before, I guess I should have chosen a better selection of words.
Anyway:
Yeah, there were deaths in the books but DD (possibly still alive) and Sirius were not the central characters. Bambi’s mom died in Bambi but did Bambi die? No, he didn’t, why? Because it was children’s cartoon. There’s obviously going to be death but no character is going to give up on life (especially the main character) and actually die in a kid’s book.
Now you say because his family is dead, it will be easier for him to let go when he is on the verge of death. He’ll obviously think about letting go but in the end he’ll probably choose to live.
I’ll do a summary on this guys life, who’s been through much more than Harry and let’s see what he did after all the deaths he encountered.
Ok, when he’s a kid like between the ages of 7-10, both his parents die and he becomes a slave. Bandits then attack the slave traders while they are traveling and the guy has to witness this happen to the people who tried to save him(other slaves) .
The guy, who saves him, decides to train him in the art of the sword but at the age of 14, Kenshin leaves to go fight in a civil war. He kills hundreds of people, and one day (when he was around 16) he kills this guy:
Then at the same age he “marries” a woman around the age of 24-26. This was actually done to hide his status as an assassin but nevertheless the 2 get quite close and intimate eventually.
However it later turns out that she was actually supposed to marry the guy Kenshin killed in my earlier pic and she “married” him to get revenge but she left after she couldn’t bring her self to do it (while Kenshin was sleeping).
When he wakes up a “friend” of his tells him that she left and that she was actually working with the enemy. He reads her diary which tells him of her plan to kill him and stuff. He goes after her anyway, where an ambush waits.
Now the enemies plan was to break his spirit and make him feel like he shouldn’t live anymore. He’s found out the Woman he loves is actually a traitor and he’s caused her so much pain by killed her future husband. So then the enemy attacks:
He still beats them and continues to wherever she is and fights the last guy.
He’s about to lose when his “wife” interferes and he accidentally kills her while slightly blinded.
So let’s see, his parents are dead, the people that tried to protect him and be his family were killed right in front of his eyes, he just killed his wife who saved his life and top of that he’s got to live with the fact that all the people he killed had a family that felt the same he did at that moment. You’d think he’d kill himself…, but he doesn’t. And the story continues.
It’s been around 14 years since the war was over. Kenshin has given up killing people. He uses a blunt edged sword to fight old enemies who come after him and never kills them, though he comes close a couple of times. He meets some new friends and a new love interest (thought nothing happens, because he still feels guilty about what happened 14 years ago) He’s finally settling down until he finds out, there’s a guy who wants to start the war again and take control of the country. He leaves his new friends to go fight again, and goes to back to his master to become stronger but at the same time defeat his new foe without killing him.
His master talks about Kenshin’s past and the mistakes he’s made and stuff. He tells him he can’t win the fight if he fights willing to “die”. Well, eventually the fight takes place, and both warriors are down. Kenshin is thinking about letting go, when he realizes he has to live for the sake of everyone he killed and all his friends who would be upset if he would die.
He wins the fight, goes back to his new home and gets closer to the person he liked. Life is going pretty well for him until; his old wife’s younger brother comes looking for his revenge. Then this happens to his new GF:
Well, I’ll stop there since this post is pretty long and what happens afterwards is a pretty big spoiler. The point is at the end, Kenshin doesn’t die, even though everyone close to him is killed and when he is on the verge of death, he could have let go.
Harry’s history is nothing compared to this, so if Kenshin decided not to die, then Harry could to. _________________
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I´m sorry, I don´t wanna be mean, but, despite his friends, just put yourself in his place: His has never met his family, the only thing he had, that was like a family, or what was left of it, Sirius, is "dead" (at least it is what he thinks), Dumbeldore, his "role model" is "dead" too (I don´t know what will happen, but that is what he thinks, right?), as I said before, the only thing that hasn´t happened yet, is Nerville burning accidentally Hogwats down (the only place he ever felt like home).
I´m sorry, but if I were the guy, I just would jump from the astronomy tower and end my misery....
Yeah we all know that Harry has had a hard life, but that doesn't come close to justifying the fact that Harry would want to die.
People who have endured worst have lived on, like Kenshin who pockets has showed as example. I watch the show as well and it is awesome. Decent summary Pockets (thumbs up).
If Harry died then all the people who died to save Harry would have died in vain. (Lily and James Potter, Sirius who came to save Harry and even Dumbledore).
If Harry wanted to die he would have done so in book one or atleast in book five when Sirius died. If he had given up on his life after Sirius died he wouldn't have lasted a second in the duel against Voldie at the end of book 5.
So far J.K Rowling has shown Harry has a great example to people who have lost things in life. How would it look if the last few paragraphs in the book said
"I cant live on, the world is too cruel to me, I will jump of the Astronomy Tower and end my misery"
Highly unlikely. _________________ I made this Sig
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