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alypi1991
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 Posted: August 2, 2007 2:28 am Post subject: Why was it at Kings Cross? |
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When Harry sort of dies and sees Dumbledore i never figured out why they were at Kings Cross Station seemed a bit odd to me  |
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Arabella
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because he had a choice whether to live or die...take a train so to speak, into death, or take a train back to life. it was also an important place to Harry (it brought it him to his first real home) and as Dumbledore said, it was his party.
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alypi1991
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| Posted: August 2, 2007 3:12 am Post subject: |
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neville_champion
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| Posted: August 10, 2007 11:10 am Post subject: |
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| It had to be King's Cross station because that was the transition between the muggles' world and the wizards' world - alluding to the transition between life and death. |
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halfbloodprincess
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| Posted: August 10, 2007 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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although i would have preferred elsewehere... not king's cross... maybe beyond the veil or something
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| What Y don't get is how dd explained to harry if it was all in his mind |
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JamesMcG92
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That kinda puzzled me too but it's kinda like a mystery I guess. It's like, up to you to decide whether he was in the place between life and death and really did see dumbldore OR he was in a sort of coma and dumbledore was like an image of his own mind telling him the things he had already knew but just didn't know he knew them.....I don't understand wat i just sed either....lol
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Yeah I didn't really like it having to be King's Cross, but I do understand why it happened there I suppose.
And funny enough JamesmcG, i understand what you said (; |
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thunder77
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| Posted: August 13, 2007 1:54 am Post subject: |
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| ye ,I think Dumbeldore was just an image of his mind, because it had always been Dumbeldore who explained him thos things. |
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Daxxa
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Harry didnt die. When Voldemort used the Avada Kadavra spell, because they shared the same blood, it killed the horcrux part of harry. The baby lying on the floor at kings cross. It was all in his mind, I think because Harry knew the answer...he already knew in himself that by excepting death, he would defeat death...but he just needed a figure to tell him that, a wise figure, a figure he trusted, which in turn, is dumbledoor. I think it was at kings cross because thats were harrys life started, I think an abandoned diagon aley would have been more powerful, but I guess the analogy of the train being between life and death makes sense too. Thats just what I concluded.
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halfbloodprincess
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| Posted: August 13, 2007 6:06 am Post subject: |
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dumbledore visited him in his mind i guess... sort of like how our loved ones who departed visit us in our dreams... but i would have preferred for there to be no location at all... just the smiling face of dumbledore, his half-moon spectacles and his twinkling blue eyes... nothing more... the king's cross place, in my opinion, just ruined the reflective moment.
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DumbledoreEL
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| Posted: August 13, 2007 10:34 am Post subject: |
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| halfbloodprincess wrote: |
| dumbledore visited him in his mind i guess... sort of like how our loved ones who departed visit us in our dreams... but i would have preferred for there to be no location at all... just the smiling face of dumbledore, his half-moon spectacles and his twinkling blue eyes... nothing more... the king's cross place, in my opinion, just ruined the reflective moment. |
Yes, just like Harry's patronus is a stag. I couldn't find the right verse that phrases this, but it says something along the lines of "Even though they are dead, a part of them will live in us forever." It was something Dumbledore told Harry in the PoA I think but i cant find it.
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| Posted: August 13, 2007 11:08 am Post subject: Real |
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I like to believe that the moment in which is he is talking to Dumbledore is real. That it is that supernatural even that can occur during the crossroads between life and death. I mean they are afterall witches and wizards, we can't expect to understand everything.
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luna brightstar
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| Posted: August 13, 2007 11:10 am Post subject: |
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| halfbloodprincess wrote: |
| although i would have preferred elsewehere... not king's cross... maybe beyond the veil or something |
yeahhh! that was never really explained was it! |
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halfbloodprincess
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nope. nor was the lcoked door in the dept of mytseries..
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It couldnt be all in his mind really.
If it was just that whole choose between life and death moment, sure he could have been unconsious, or had the whole vision in his head. However that talk between Harry and DD had alot of details of things only DD would know. So it had to be his soul there in person to say all those things and explane it all to Harry. |
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| Posted: August 22, 2007 9:31 am Post subject: |
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| Daxxa wrote: |
| Harry didnt die. When Voldemort used the Avada Kadavra spell, because they shared the same blood, it killed the horcrux part of harry. The baby lying on the floor at kings cross. It was all in his mind, I think because Harry knew the answer...he already knew in himself that by excepting death, he would defeat death...but he just needed a figure to tell him that, a wise figure, a figure he trusted, which in turn, is dumbledoor. I think it was at kings cross because thats were harrys life started, I think an abandoned diagon aley would have been more powerful, but I guess the analogy of the train being between life and death makes sense too. Thats just what I concluded. |
WRONg harry did die but as he was 'master of death' having obbtained all three hallows he was able to chose the path to death or life!
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That chapter made no sense to me AT ALL me and my best friend was discussing it afterwards and neither of us got it
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| Daxxa wrote: |
| Harry didnt die. When Voldemort used the Avada Kadavra spell, because they shared the same blood, it killed the horcrux part of harry. The baby lying on the floor at kings cross. It was all in his mind, I think because Harry knew the answer...he already knew in himself that by excepting death, he would defeat death...but he just needed a figure to tell him that, a wise figure, a figure he trusted, which in turn, is dumbledoor. I think it was at kings cross because thats were harrys life started, I think an abandoned diagon aley would have been more powerful, but I guess the analogy of the train being between life and death makes sense too. Thats just what I concluded. |
WRONg harry did die but as he was 'master of death' having obbtained all three hallows he was able to chose the path to death or life! |
No, I think that Harry didn't die, but just the Horcrux part of him died. He was the master of death because he accepted death, not because he couldn't die.
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| That chapter made no sense to me AT ALL me and my best friend was discussing it afterwards and neither of us got it |
It was a difficult chapter, to be true. Some of that difficulty was partly intended I believe, and actually required you to consider what happened in the next chapter to understand some of the previous.
The train station was simply a metaphor for a transition point, which is where Harry was: a neutral point somewhere between life and death. You catch a train to go "beyond". It was simply a device that reduced the place to understandable concepts to Harry ("Choose the form of the Destructor!").
The Horcrux wasn't there. It was destroyed. Gone on. Whatever. It wasn't the baby-thing. The baby-thing was the pathetic remains of Voldemort's soul. The part actually left in his body. You have to read the NEXT chapter's beginning to figure that out and apply it: Voldemort had collapsed, same as Harry, after he cast his spell. They were both there, linked one last time by the infused blood and soul shard. It had no strength to do anything, unlike the complete souls of Harry and Dumbledore. I suppose it begs the question that if Harry had chosen to go on, would Voldemort die, or did he bring them both back? Anyway, as Harry returns, so does Voldemort, who gets back up - his death-eaters are confused by what had happened and are focused on Voldemort, not Harry.
The link between mastered wand, soul shard, and protected blood all combined in a rather nebulous fashion to protect Harry from actual death. After running through the explanation a 100 times, I'm not convinced the reasoning would play out the same way twice. |
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I think Harry's mind also chose that as a place to represent the transition from living to dead because Kings Cross represented the transition between the wizarding world and the muggle world. It was a way for him to put into terms his brain could understand the complexity of the concept.
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| Posted: August 22, 2007 8:56 pm Post subject: Re: Why was it at Kings Cross? |
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| When Harry sort of dies and sees Dumbledore i never figured out why they were at Kings Cross Station seemed a bit odd to me |
He wasn't really at King's Cross, it just looked like King's Cross, which was just a metaphor. It was symbolic of how the void they were in was a 'crossing' of sorts between this life and the next.
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Kingsly Shacklebolt
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Harry didnt die , it was just sort of a coma . And Kings Cross Station is just sort of a crossroads . I would have preffered some neutral place , not dark very white (kinda like the end of Justin TImberlake's Lovestoned)
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I think it would have to have been like a dream, because when he came to it was like he hadn't missed anything but a split second.
But I don't know how he could have known the things Dumbledore told him, unless it was all guesses.. also the questions Harry asked him it seemed Harry knew deep down.
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