Im for Goku, for those who dont know about Goku, here is a brief introduction.
Son Goku is the main character in the Dragon Ball series. He is a Saiyan (an alien race of warriors), when his home planet (Planet Vegeta) was destroyed, he was sent to Earth. (Just like Superman).
During his life on Earth, Goku was husband to Chi-Chi and father to Son Gohan and Son Goten. Despite being introduced to his elder brother Raditz and being told of his father, during Dragon Ball Z, Goku remains relatively ignorant of his Saiyan heritage, embracing his friends and his life on Earth over his biological connections.
Goku grew up to respect life and people granting mercy to even the most vicious of foes when he believed they were defeated, always giving them the option to change their ways and become a force for good. Because of this nature, Goku gained a great deal of friends even from former foes like Piccolo, Tenshinhan and Yamcha.
Such is Son Goku's love and respect for life that he pitied and even tried to save the dying Freeza, a genocidal tyrant and murderer of his dearest friend Kururin, for he could not bear to leave the helpless monster to suffer and die.
Goku has always loved his family and friends deeply and because of this he chooses to stay dead after the Cell Games (where Goku dies preventing Earths destruction) despite the ability to resurrect him being available. He made this decision believing that the majority of the threats to Earth and its inhabitants had occurred because of him.(As most of the villains came to Earth to destroy Goku)
Despite his laid back nature, in battle Goku is very serious and his love for his friends and the Earth gives him a determination and power that few can compete with.
Goku’s Transformations
This is done to avoid confusion.
As Goku is a Saiyan, he is capable of transforming into a Super Saiyan, where his powers greatly increase. There are four Super Saiyan levels, namely Super Saiyan 1, 2, 3, and 4.
Normal Goku
Super Saiyan 1 Goku
Notice the change in hair colour and the golden aura surrounding him.
Super Saiyan 2 Goku
There is not much of a difference in the appearances of Super Saiyan 1 and Super Saiyan 2, but there is a sharp increase in Energy (Ki) level, when Goku transforms into a Super Saiyan 2.
Ok pockets, as we agreed before, u cant use Pre-crisis Superman. Only cannon stuff like Post-crisis superman. And i cant use Super Saiyan 4 Goku. _________________ I made this Sig
Ah man, I can’t believe I’m actually going to be doing this.
Might as well give a little info on the current Superman.
You guys should already know something about Superman, like his home planet and him been super awesome and fighting for good and all that stuff. So I won’t really bother going into detail unless people want some questions answered. Superman doesn’t have any real duty to save the world and stuff; he just does it because he’s a nice guy. He’s had a couple of fights with Gods and Universal threats. Post-Crisis Superman wasn’t originally that strong but sine he returned from the dead his powers have been continuously growing. Supes is also regarded as been immortal as he is still alive in the 835th Century. Someone like Goku is no match for Superman. Goku VS the modern Superboy would be a better fight.
Some of Superman’s powers are:
Near invulnerability: As you guys would probably know, it takes a hell of a lot to actually hurt Superman. He can fly through starts without getting harmed and has even gone through red sons which are different to him from yellow suns because they drain his power. He can shrug off nuclear bombs and by now can take a million nuclear blats without getting hurt.
X-ray vision: This gives him the ability to see through anything except lead.
Telescopic vision: The ability to "zoom in" his distance to see something at a great distance. He can use this to see what’s going on at other planets down from Earth. He can also see in the dark.
Microscopic vision: The ability to see extremely small objects and images down to the atomic level.
Heat vision: The ability to fire beams of intense heat at a target by looking at it with the conscious act of activating this power. Visually, the power is typically depicted as twin laser beams firing from the eyes. These beams can be made invisible, allowing Superman to work undetected. No one knows exactly how hot Superman’s heat vision is as it can’t be measured in the comics but he’s used it to heat the planet and it is said to be hotter than a star. He can control the level of heat and calculates the melting point of whatever he’s going to use it on so that he doesn’t kill anyone.
Super-hearing: The ability to hear any sound at any volume or pitch. He has shown enough control to block out ambient sounds to focus on a specific source/frequency. Superman was able to detect disturbances in the frequency the human brain operates and is said to be able to hear the sound of an atom split.
Super voice: Superman is a master ventriloquist. He is also a brilliant mimic, able to impersonate human voices or animal sounds. Arguably he can shatter mountains with his voice alone.
The power of flight: by force of will, which also allows him to maneuver precisely in any direction, as well as hover. Superman can fly at speeds faster than light, as he has shown before on panel.
Super breath: The ability to create hurricane force winds by blowing, and to chill his breath to freeze a target
Super Speed: The ability to move at an incredible speed. This includes running, but flying is less strenuous and more versatile. Superman does not travel at speeds faster than light while on Earth but does so when flying in space.
Super strength: Superman’s upper limit is still not known but he has the capacity to easily lift billions of tons, even before his return from the dead Superman could easily lift over 6 million tons. While sun-dipped Superman can effortlessly move planets like Pluto.
Super intellect: Superman can learn and remember things at super speeds, and it quite intelligent. He calculates air pressures and such when flying in Earth’s atmosphere.
Transformations:
Sun-Dipped Superman
While not really a transformation, Superman can fly into the Sun and supercharge himself in mere seconds. His appearance slightly changes but eventually reverts back to normal. While supercharged Superman’s regular powers are greatly enhanced.
Superman Prime
After spending 15,000 years in the Sun, Superman has gotten somewhat of a gold coating.
Ok Rage, so you basically tell me why you think Goku can defeat Superman and I’ll tell you why he can’t. I mean Supes is stronger, faster, smarter, and more durable and has more stamina. _________________
Alright, first im gonna give a list of all of Goku's abilities.
Super Strength/Power
It is unknown exactly how powerful Goku was at the end of Dragonball Z energy wise. This is because Akira Toriyama decided not to state power levels after the Freeza Saga. However, indirect evidence (such as Cell once stating that he had enough energy to wipe out the solar system in a single attack) points to Goku's energy output being at least the equivalent of the energy unleashed in a super nova, and probably much greater.
Super Speed
Another subject of heated debate, most fans argue that Goku surprassed the lightspeed barrier back in the Freeza Saga. This argument is backed up in the Buu Saga, when Gotenks (Goku's son) circled the Earth a minimum of 36 times in less than a second, roughly putting him at 5.1 c. Also it should be brought into consideration, that once Goku learns to teleport (or instant transmision); he can actually travel at WARP speeds thus surpassing the speed of light.
In addition to this, Goku is a martial artist, so he has learnt an array of special techniques. I have listed only the most popular techniques and have not gone into detail.
The Kamehameha - Goku's signature technique, the Kamehameha attack, is a powerful, constant stream of energy hurled at an opponent through the hands (or sometimes the feet). Goku has several other variations of this attack as well. In some instances, Goku has launched the Kamehameha with one hand.
Goku firing his Kamehameha.
Genki Dama/ Spirit Bomb - Perhaps Goku's most powerful attack, the Genki Dama draws energy from all life and places it in a deadly ki ball. Goku uses this against many of his more powerful opponents. The downside is that he is quite vulnerable during its lengthy creation time. It is called the Spirit Bomb in the English anime.
Kaiô-ken - This ability allows Goku to multiply his speed and power by turning potential energy from the body into pure physical energy, often letting him work on an equal level against an initially more powerful foe. Because of the extreme increase of energy flowing through Goku's body, this form is potentially fatal, because of the stress put on the body.
Instant Transmission - It allows Goku to teleport nearly anywhere so long as he focuses on a specific ki signal, where he wants to go.Goku can also do this without locking on to a Ki Signal, but only for when he intends to transport somewhere he can physically see.
The Afterimage Technique - The user of this technique is able to move extremely fast over small distances, leaving an after-image behind. It can be considered a very short-range teleportation.
In addition Goku is also extremely skilled in hand to hand combat, and has learnt a range of fighting techiques, from teachers like King Kai (who is one of the guardians of the Dragon Ball universe). _________________ I made this Sig
Cell was bluffing. He says he can blow up the Solar system with one attack and never attempts do so when he’s getting the crap beating out of him by Gohan. Cell also says he can use the spirit bomb but we never actually see any of these feats. At most all hr was going to do was blow up Earth by self destructing. Cell’s words are not an indication of his power, just like King Kai says Freeza is the most powerful being in the planet despite there been beings of greater strength such as the Supreme Kai, King Cold, and Pikkon. The only villain who has shown the potential to blow up a solar system is Buu, who Goku never exceeds in power. Even if Goku could destroy the solar system it would be no threat to Superman who has absorbed energy that could vaporize at minimum half the galaxy, he smiled afterwards. Destroying the solar system would kill Goku as well since he can’t survive in space. Superman has also beaten and shown to be more durable than the Marvel comic book character Thor, who has taken a hit that could destroy 1/5th of the Universe.
Goku never passed the light speed barrier. It is generally accepted by fans that he did because they want to believe he did. Gotenks who is faster than Goku never passed the light seed barrier, it took him around 20 minutes to go around the world a couple of times, light speed takes a trip around the world 7 times in a second. Superman has been shown going 16 times the speed of light. Goku is nowhere close. The instant transmission is a technique not a speed, Goku learn it from beings from another planet.
The spirit bomb takes a long time to charge and does not affect the pure of heart, and I’m willing to bet that Superman is a good guy with a pure heart.
Superman leaves afterimages with just his regular speed, he does not need any type of technique to do so because he is insanely faster, not as fast as the Flash but leagues ahead of Goku.
Superman has over 1000 years of fighting knowledge and knows various forms of martial arts, he just never has to use them as Superman.
And I haven't even gotten to Superman Prime yet. _________________
Yeah man sure, thats a really lame reply. U mind giving me some proof that cell was bluffing ??
And it was a badly beaten up and an imperfect cell, who blows up King Kai's planet by self destructing. A less powerful attack from Perfect Cell nearly destroyed the Earth (but goku deflected the attack away from Earth).
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The only villain who has shown the potential to blow up a solar system is Buu, who Goku never exceeds in power.
Goku has more energy than a supernova. Whenever a supernova explodes, amounts of its matter equal to the mass of several Suns may be blasted into space with such energy that the exploding star outshines its entire home galaxy. So Goku would be able to destroy a galaxy easily, let alone a solar system.
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Destroying the solar system would kill Goku as well since he can’t survive in space.
And Goku's ability to teleport, will enable him to escape the explosion and find safe refuge in a distant planet.(eg:- the Grand Kai's planet).
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Goku never passed the light speed barrier. It is generally accepted by fans that he did because they want to believe he did. Gotenks who is faster than Goku never passed the light seed barrier, it took him around 20 minutes to go around the world a couple of times, light speed takes a trip around the world 7 times in a second.
hey pockets, i didnt think u'll be making up stuff.
Even if Superman has 10,000 years of fighting knowledge, he wont come close to Goku, who has undergone some of the most intense martial arts training ever since he was a kid. (like training under 100 times gravity). _________________ I made this Sig
Do you have any proof that what Cell actually said holds any truth?
I’ve already stated that what DBZ is not consistent, do you mind telling me why King Kai aid Frieza was the most being in the Universe when the Supreme Kai was much stronger, and do you mind telling me why Cell said he could use the spirit bomb but never demonstrated it. Destroying the planets is nothing new, the DBZ characters penetrate the core of the Earth, and this is also what the Buu did when he destroyed the Earth. Cell’s self destructing was different as it would generate an explosion that would destroy the Earth.
Goku has never destroyed a solar system, the only being that has done so is a form of Buu that is stronger than Goku. When has Goku destroyed a solar system? That’s right, never. On the other hand Mahgehdun has had quite a reputation for wiping out galaxies but Supes absorbs that attack and smiles, obviously it didn’t really hurt him.
Oh yes, Goku’s ability to teleport. The ability that took him and Cell to Kai’s planet but couldn’t get him back to Earth in time or save the Kai’s life.
Making stuff up? No on the contrary, it seems answers.com is misinformed. Why do they that Goku can lift 100 tons by the Sayain saga when AT says Goku at base can only lift 40 tons on each limb right before the Buu saga? I guess anwers.com is more reliable than the creator of Dragonball Z. Gotenks took around 20 minutes to go around the world a couple of times, the manga clearly states that. But to keep the fight interesting I’ll say that Gotenks flew around the world 39 times in less than a second, Superman is still faster than that, and Goku is slower.
How old is Goku? I’m assuming maybe in his 40s and since he trained in the that time chamber I’ll give him 50 years of training, still not close to 10,000. Superman has been seen thrown into red suns, going right through one, and escaping black holes. Superman has participated in battles that Goku can’t even imagine. _________________
I saw the episode where Gotenks circles the Earth 36 times in a second, and u still have to provide proof that the manga says that gotenks circled the Earth in 20 minutes.
Frieza is stronger than the Supreme Kai, because Goku's Super Saiyan 1 powerlevel is almost equal to Frieza's final form. And Goku's Super Saiyan 1 form was stronger than the Supreme Kai.
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Goku has never destroyed a solar system, the only being that has done so is a form of Buu that is stronger than Goku. When has Goku destroyed a solar system? That’s right, never. On the other hand Mahgehdun has had quite a reputation for wiping out galaxies but Supes absorbs that attack and smiles, obviously it didn’t really hurt him.
If he has the powerlevel equivalent of that of a supernova, he can. But he doesnt want to. Why hasnt Superman destroyed any galaxies ???
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Oh yes, Goku’s ability to teleport. The ability that took him and Cell to Kai’s planet but couldn’t get him back to Earth in time or save the Kai’s life.
Goku has to be able to concentrate deeply before executing the Instant Transmission. And that is quite difficult when someone is self destructing on your face !!!
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Making stuff up? No on the contrary, it seems answers.com is misinformed. Why do they that Goku can lift 100 tons by the Sayain saga when AT says Goku at base can only lift 40 tons on each limb right before the Buu saga?
Dude do u know that 40 tons on each limb is 160 tons, which is more than a 100 tons.
And i saw an episode where Goku trains with 40 tons on each limb (in the Other World with King Kai, before Buu saga), this was when he was normal. When he goes Super Saiyan he can lift much more.
Evidence of this is shown in the Buu saga when Goku is seen pushing two halves of a mountain. (which obviously weighs more than a 100 tons).
The amount of time Goku trains doesnt matter, it is the intensity of the training that really matters. If Goku and Superman were normal (that is human) and had equal strength etc, im sure Goku would beat Superman without really trying, as Goku's fighting technique is more effective. _________________ I made this Sig
Answers.com is also the only site that says Gotenks went around the world 36 times in less than a second, not even Wikipedia states that he performed this feat. Did you know that Goku’s power level increases throughout the series? Goku’s SSJ form during the Frieza saga was equal in power to Frieza, by the Buu saga his SSJ power level has greatly increased. Or are you saying that Future Trunks SSJ form is stronger than Goku’s SSJ form because he was easily able to defeat Frieza and King Cold? You’ll have to read the manga yourself to see him take 20 minutes but you been a Dragonball Z fan I find it surprising that you haven’t read the manga yet
Superman doesn’t have any Ki attacks; he can’t destroy an entire galaxy on his own unless he decides to make all the Stars and the Sun go Nova. But that’s beside the point, Mahgehdun has proved to destroy galaxies, and Superman absorbed that energy and smiled, Cell has never been shown to destroy a solar system. Goku could probably destroy a solar system if he charged up his attacks for hours or maybe a full day but Superman isn’t going to stand there and let Goku charge his attack. One punch from Superman can split open one of Saturn’s moons, he did this in the Lex 2000 special, one punch is all Superman needs to take Goku down.
So Goku has to concentrate? In that case he isn’t going to have time to actually use it since Supes can move much faster than him, Goku’s beaten before he even knows it.
You saw that episode? You mean the episode that was never officially translated has been fan dubbed? Did you know that he could only lift 40 tons on each limb right before the Buu saga? And not at the Sayain saga? _________________
And u are the only one who has said that Gotenks has gone around the world in 20 minutes. I think ill rather believe Answers.com than u.
When Goku was training with Master Roshi, he was able to push 100+ ton rocks. And also his enemies at this time were shown throwing tanks around easily, which weigh more than 40 tons (a modern day tank weighs around 50 tons or more).
Your right that Goku's power increased from when he fought Frieza to the time when he met Supreme Kai. But the Supreme Kai could not lift the Z sword, which normal Goku and Gohan could not only lift but use with ease. Therefore i think its safe to say that Frieza was stronger than the Supreme Kai.
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Goku could probably destroy a solar system if he charged up his attacks for hours or maybe a full day but Superman isn’t going to stand there and let Goku charge his attack. One punch from Superman can split open one of Saturn’s moons, he did this in the Lex 2000 special, one punch is all Superman needs to take Goku down.
What part of he has the power equivalent to that of a Supernova dont u understand, if Goku wanted to he could destroy a galaxy which is made up of a million solar systems.
Perfect Cell was seen destroying an asteroid the size of our moon, with one punch. And Goku Super Saiyan 1 had taken Cell's punches and still survived. And Gohan Super Saiyan 2 took Cell's punch in the face and didnt flinch.
Goku has to concentrate only when using the Instant Transmission technique, not when he is fighting, i think u misunderstood that part.
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You saw that episode? You mean the episode that was never officially translated has been fan dubbed?
This episode was way before the episode where Vegeta blows up, so this is not one of the fan dubbed episodes, and it was officially translated by FUNimation. _________________ I made this Sig
Look at what I found. Gotenks takes off around the world after fusing and also takes a short nap, Piccolo says Gotenks only has 1 minute before the fusion stops, so Gotenks didn’t go around the world 39 times in less than a second.
Frieza is not stronger than the Supreme Kai; did you see the episode where Pikkon slapped around Cell like he was nothing? In case you didn’t know, Pikkon is much weaker than the Supreme Kai.
So Goku can destroy a Solar system, I’m taking your word for it even though he has never done this. He still has to charge his attacks, Superman isn’t going to give him any time to do that, and a galaxy destroying attack just made Superman smile, Thor who is weaker than Superman took an attack that could destroy 1/5th of the Universe, still alive. Perfect Cell used Ki to power that punch, just like most characters do when they attack. Still, you’re comparing someone that could destroy an asteroid the size of our moon to someone who turned the wheels of Mahgehdun which dwarfs our solar system in size; Superman was basically moving a solar system that tops destroying something the size of the moon. Pushing is different from lifting, the Hulk has pushed something that weighed 120 billion tons but can’t lift that amount. All Star Superman who is 3 times stronger than Post-Crisis Superman can push easily able to push against 200 quintillion tons of force, with one arm, doesn’t mean that he can lift that amount with one hand. I’m guessing that you watched Dragonball? They never state how much any of those tanks or cars weigh, everything is an assumption. AT has said Goku at base can lift 40 tons on each limb right before the Buu saga, after all the training he went through during the Cell games saga not before. _________________
Well for all u know Gotenks (knowing him) would have slept for 29 minutes, after going around the world 36 times in less than a second.
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Frieza is not stronger than the Supreme Kai; did you see the episode where Pikkon slapped around Cell like he was nothing? In case you didn’t know, Pikkon is much weaker than the Supreme Kai.
Then y was Pikkon almost as powerful as Goku Super Saiyan 1, when they fought in the Other World tournament. So if Goku normal is stronger than Supreme Kai then Pikkon is definitely stronger than the Supreme Kai.
Even if Mahgehdun is bigger than a solar system it is still way smaller than a galaxy. Anyway it was in space, that means if Superman started moving it, the Mahgedun would continue to move without the assistance of Superman. This is because in space there is no air resistance or friction.
I said that Cell destroys an asteroid the size of our moon with one punch, to show that Superman cant take Goku down wit one punch like u stated in ur earlier post. _________________ I made this Sig
No. If Gotenks went around the world in less than a second and rested for 29 minutes, Piccolo wouldn’t have had any trouble finding him. In fact there’s nothing that indicates that Gotenks went around the world 36 times, in the raw Japanese text it says he went around 5 times maybe 6 and took a nap that lasted 5 minutes. So Gotenks is nowhere near light speed. It’s also interesting to note that Gotenks did not reach Buu in less than a second. I’m going by the official manga, going by the Japanese version is as pure as you can get. AT was directly involved with the Manga, he told them what to write, when Funimation got a hold of the series they edited it to make it more appealing to the casual audience, such as Raditz saying he moves at light speeds. It should be pretty obvious that DBZ characters do not move at light speeds and even if Gotenks did travel around the world 36 times in less than a second, Superman is still faster. So Goku has no advantage when it comes to speed.
Superman was turning the wheels of Mahgehdun, it’s hard to exactly explain what he was doing and it’s better if you actually read the comics. This is like moving a Solar system, much more impressive than lifting 2 half’s of a mountain. Kon-El during his start as Superboy could lift 600 tons and probably hit the million mark before his death.Here’s a picture. The wheels of Mahgehdun aren’t a solar system but do dwarf our solar system in size. Supes was making them move without any assistance.
Superman can take out Goku with one punch. One punch from the Flash is as powerful as an exploding star; Superman’s regular punch when he’s fighting formidable foes is at this level. That punch coming at light speed is going to do a whole lot more damage. It’s important to note that Cell was testing his full power, not holding back. Superman is always holding back because of the fear that he will kill his opponent. This is further proven when he slaps around Supergirl who was thought to be stronger and faster, he tells her that he is stronger than her but is always holding back and that's why she thought she was stronger. Superman: Red Son somewhat showed us what Post-Crisis Superman could do if he didn’t hold back, such as taking out the entire Green Lanterns corps and brutally beating Wonder Woman like she was an insect, keep in mind that WW is physically stronger than Goku. Superman is regarded as been superior to Hulk in strength, the same Hulk that destroyed an asteroid 2 times the size of Earth with one punch. Has Goku ever shown the potential to destroy 1/5 of the Universe? No. I didn’t think so, Thor absorbed thi
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