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ahmadq25
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PostPosted: July 27, 2007 12:31 am    Post subject: PORTRAITS Reply with quote

One of the most confusing parts of Harry Potter are the portraits. It kind of doesnt make any sense. If Dumbledore died, how could he still give orders, think, or talk to Snape. That is just completely superficial. And if that is possible with portraits, why can't Harry just talk to his parents from the album Hagrid gave him. I think it is a loose end that JKR just didnt really tie in the Deathly Hallows. I want to hear you guys think about it.
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PostPosted: July 27, 2007 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ya ive always thought that a grey area. other ppl i kno are jus like ummm if it says it in the book its what happens and thats that! but im confused too. however im happy...maybe harry finds out where dumbledore learned to speak mermish? Smile and other things of course. o i think only paintings can talk...i cant seem to remember anywhere a photo talking, only moving. maybe only paintings can talk. if only lily and james had invested in a painting!
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PostPosted: July 27, 2007 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think there is a difference between a portrait and a picture.
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PostPosted: July 27, 2007 1:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the difference is, as Ginnyx said, between a portrait and a picture.

A picture takes a snapshot in time, at that precise moment. While a portrait could be viewed as capturing a person's soul on canvas.
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PostPosted: July 27, 2007 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ya i aggreed tahts wat confused me so badly like wen they asked if phineas could bring dumbledore with him wen they had the picture in hermiones purse, and he said no that it was impossible so then wen they went to lunas and they saw *paintings* of themselves in her room i thgouth they would be smart enough to ask her to make a *painting* of dumbledore because according to phineas...it was something along these lines *i cant bring him with me, people in pictures can only visit other paintings of themselves* so why not just make a rough or even crappy painting of dumbledore and then dumbledore can talk to you. it seems outrageous and stupid but technically it is a loophole. and if im not mistaken near teh end didnt it say that the people in the paintings wer running into other portraits to get views of teh battle? so why then could phineas not take dumbledore to phineas portrait that hung in grimauld place? the portrait of course that hermione stuck in her bag.
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PostPosted: July 27, 2007 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

prefect5 wrote:
ya i aggreed tahts wat confused me so badly like wen they asked if phineas could bring dumbledore with him wen they had the picture in hermiones purse, and he said no that it was impossible so then wen they went to lunas and they saw *paintings* of themselves in her room i thgouth they would be smart enough to ask her to make a *painting* of dumbledore because according to phineas...it was something along these lines *i cant bring him with me, people in pictures can only visit other paintings of themselves* so why not just make a rough or even crappy painting of dumbledore and then dumbledore can talk to you. it seems outrageous and stupid but technically it is a loophole. and if im not mistaken near teh end didnt it say that the people in the paintings wer running into other portraits to get views of teh battle? so why then could phineas not take dumbledore to phineas portrait that hung in grimauld place? the portrait of course that hermione stuck in her bag.


Well, yeah, I'm guessing maybe none of the trio can paint. It might not have occurred to them to ask Luna. Besides, maybe there is more to it than just painting someone. There might be charms and such involved.

Phinneas explained it very clearly as to why he couldn't bring DD to them. You can't climb into portraits that are located in different places. So although DD can climb into Phineas's portrait at Hogwarts, he can't climb into the portrait Hermione had stashed in her enchanted bag. So although DD could travel into, say, the Fat lady's portrait in front of the Gryffindor Common Room, he couldn't climb into a portrait located at St. Mungo's. They travel from portrait to portrait, they don't just magically appear in other portraits. So obviously, they can't travel into different buildings.
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PostPosted: July 27, 2007 2:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

and the same should hold true for harrys parents. they have a bloody picture of them im sure someone could paint them couldnt they?

hell, you could paint a picture of voldemort just to make fun of him
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PostPosted: July 27, 2007 3:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, there must be some rule against painting anybody anytime. I mean, it would be creepy. I don't like the idea of going to some random place and there just happens to be a painting of my grandmother on the wall... this painting thing must be regulated somehow.


haha, I wonder if JKR thought this out. She probably did, knowing her.
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PostPosted: July 27, 2007 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i dont think they'll go round looking for a good artist to paint the dead, it will be when they die thier soul goes into the painting or something like that, and then their picture will appear there
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PostPosted: July 27, 2007 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That seems so simple, though. I mean, I don't think the amount of talent the artist has anythig to do with it, but there must be charms or spells... or the kind of paint used. Otherwise you paint anyone dad and they could come back. There must be regulations somehow.
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PostPosted: July 27, 2007 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ya like how (i can;t remember which book maybe 3 or 4) how dobby paints harry for a christmas present or something and it looks like a gibbon...well, obviously they couldn't just PAINT someone and that' it, because i think the harry in the painting wasn't moving at all. so in the least there's a charm involved or something???
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PostPosted: July 27, 2007 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh my goodness, I forgot about that! I love Dobby, and thet twins were so funny whn they saw it...
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and I'm going to cry again...


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PostPosted: July 27, 2007 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i had been waiting for jk to explain that... the imprint thing...
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PostPosted: July 27, 2007 5:34 pm    Post subject: The portraits are hogwarts specific... Reply with quote

Whenver a headmaster dies they are instantly bewitched into a portrait on the wall of the headmaster's ofc. I don't think it has anything to do with "painting." This may be a deep, old magic that the castle possesses. It wouldn't surprise me.
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PostPosted: July 27, 2007 5:43 pm    Post subject: Re: The portraits are hogwarts specific... Reply with quote

greenintored wrote:
Whenver a headmaster dies they are instantly bewitched into a portrait on the wall of the headmaster's ofc. I don't think it has anything to do with "painting." This may be a deep, old magic that the castle possesses. It wouldn't surprise me.


i think you are right.
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PostPosted: July 28, 2007 1:28 am    Post subject: Re: The portraits are hogwarts specific... Reply with quote

greenintored wrote:
Whenver a headmaster dies they are instantly bewitched into a portrait on the wall of the headmaster's ofc. I don't think it has anything to do with "painting." This may be a deep, old magic that the castle possesses. It wouldn't surprise me.




I agree with you.
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PostPosted: July 29, 2007 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they could all live forever then what good would that be? I'm glad she didn't make any of them able to be in a portrait and be able to talk after they had died, it would ruin the story.



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PostPosted: July 29, 2007 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you need to be dead to be able to move in portraits and talk. It's kinda like even after you die you live a part of you back. But I don't think it works the same way with pictures, you just take a caption of the moment and that's it. I think the portraits have some kinda charms on them. and also I think that the reason dd couldn't appear in Phineas' painting is becasue you need to have your own painting in that specific place to travel
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PostPosted: July 30, 2007 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe that the portraits of the Headmasters are 'semi-ghosts' .. that the headmaster have to make personally, by leaving a sort of 'imprint' of themselves. Like ghosts! And I guess Snape never made one of himself, so that's why his portrait is not there in the circular office ...

Good question to ask JK ..
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PostPosted: July 30, 2007 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zephyr wrote:
I believe that the portraits of the Headmasters are 'semi-ghosts' .. that the headmaster have to make personally, by leaving a sort of 'imprint' of themselves. Like ghosts! And I guess Snape never made one of himself, so that's why his portrait is not there in the circular office ...

Good question to ask JK ..


was it even mentioned if Snape's portrait was in the headmaster's office or not?
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PostPosted: July 30, 2007 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah .. I read it somewhere .. not in the book though .. probably one of JK's interview's ..
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PostPosted: July 30, 2007 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you can only have a portrait when you are dead, its your soul on a canvas
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PostPosted: July 30, 2007 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alina wrote:
Zephyr wrote:
I believe that the portraits of the Headmasters are 'semi-ghosts' .. that the headmaster have to make personally, by leaving a sort of 'imprint' of themselves. Like ghosts! And I guess Snape never made one of himself, so that's why his portrait is not there in the circular office ...

Good question to ask JK ..


was it even mentioned if Snape's portrait was in the headmaster's office or not?


On the online interviews today JKR said that Snape's portrait is not on the wall, but that maybe someday Harry will try to get it up there.
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PostPosted: July 31, 2007 9:26 pm    Post subject: Re: PORTRAITS Reply with quote

ahmadq25 wrote:
One of the most confusing parts of Harry Potter are the portraits. It kind of doesnt make any sense. If Dumbledore died, how could he still give orders, think, or talk to Snape. That is just completely superficial. And if that is possible with portraits, why can't Harry just talk to his parents from the album Hagrid gave him. I think it is a loose end that JKR just didnt really tie in the Deathly Hallows. I want to hear you guys think about it.










PORTRAITS IN HIS OFFICE WERE HEADMASTERS AT HOGWARTS AND THEY DON'T THINK THEY JUST REPEAT THINGS THEY USED TO SAY WHEN THEY WERE ALIVE JUST LIKE SIRUS'S MOM AT THE ORDER HEADQUARTERS.


DUMBLEDORE TOLD SNAPE EVERYTHING A YEAR BEFORE MEANING WHAT TO DO, I mean everyone can't go into a portrait and live there forever.
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PostPosted: July 31, 2007 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Snape was headmaster but he abandoned his post at Hogwarts so there wasn't a portrait of him.
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