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Posts: 1006 · Last edited by RiddleisOurKing on July 25, 2007 8:55 pm; edited 2 times in total

In HBP when Harry goes into Hogsmeade and see's Mundungus and the barmen from the Hogsheade, Mundungus is apparently trying to sell him some of the stuff he stole from 12 Grimulaud Place

A lot of people think that the locket they find in OOTP when they are cleaning up might be the locket horcrux that RAB (presumably Sirius' brother) stole.

Could Mundungus have stole the the locket and unknowingly sold it to Aberforth?

Sorry if this has been brought up before but I've never heard anyone mention this.

Page 245 of the US edition..

Harry recognized him as the barmen of the Hog Head. As Harry, Ron, and Hermione drew closer he drew is cloak more tightly around his NECK and walked away, leaving the shorter man fumbling with something in his arms.
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Isn't Aberforth Dumbledore's brother?

Posts: 1006 · Posted: June 20, 2007 10:07 pm Post subject:

yes, in the book it only says that Harry recognized the man as the Hogs Head barmen, which JKR had confirmed is Albus' brother.

Mundungus and the barmen (Aberforth) were apparently making a transaction with some of Sirius' stolen goods.

It's all conjuncture but some people believe the locket the group picks up in OOTP might be the locket horcrux that RAB stole and hid there. If all that is true, it's very possible Mundungus knicked it and sold it to Aberforth, not knowing what it was. Perhaps Aberforth did know what it was though.

If this happened to be true, just imagine the irony, that Albus weakened himself to get the locket which led to his death when his brother had it the whole time...
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Posts: 16486 · Posted: June 20, 2007 10:11 pm Post subject:

was he really selling the stuff to aberforth? I don't remember that. Quote? Or are you just guessing that he would? That could happen...that'd simplify getting it back...well maybe. Not sure he'd want to part with it, but then again his brother maybe have told him about the horcruxes so he might come forward with it on his own.
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Posts: 1006 · Posted: June 20, 2007 10:17 pm Post subject:

Harry asks him, "are you selling this stuff?"

and he says "gotta scratch a living"

the barmen is only mentioned as if she just wants you to forget about it right after reading it, because then harry gets mad because he realizes what Mundungus is doing after a minute.

No she never writes that Mundungus sells ANYTHING to Aberforth, but they were the only 2 standing outside in horrible weather. When the trio draws close up to them, she says the barmen pulled his cloak tighter around his neck (maybe to hide his new purchase?) and walked away.

But if it were something important, she wouldn't have been so blatant as to say they saw each other exchange anything.

Mundungus had a briefcase full of stolen goods and when Aberforth walked away, Mundungus was left standing there, fumbling with it. It's obvious, at least in my opinion that he was TRYING to sell something, and that there is maybe a good chance that they had just concluded their transaction when the trio was approaching. There is little doubt he was there to sell something, whether he did or not, and what he sold, that's the theory.

It's almost like, why would she put Aberforth in this scene if he was just "some character" so mundungus could get caught by Harry. There has to be more to it. We never really learn anymore about him stealing the stuff the rest of the book.

Why even mention something like this if it wasn't going to be used later. But she writes the "barmen" in such a passing way that it's like she's throwing a clue out there but she isn't going to make it so blatant that people are going to pick up on this.

I'm thinking of it from a literary standpoint and if that is what she has done, then all I have to say is bravo!! She immediately diverts your attention from the barmen by making Harry grab Mundungus and yelling.
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Posts: 16486 · Posted: June 20, 2007 10:50 pm Post subject:

oooo I didn't remember it was the barman with him. Good catch. and good diversion from JK Razz

I've heard theories that mundungus sold it...but not to aberforth. I think you have something here.
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i forgot dumbledore had a brother. u think he will play a part in deathly hallows

Posts: 28094 · Posted: June 21, 2007 9:35 am Post subject:

come to think of it, he might not have sold it after all. aberforth would have showed it to dumbledore, who would have realized it was a horcrux.
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i never even thought about him selling the locket.....wow

Posts: 1006 · Posted: June 21, 2007 3:29 pm Post subject:

I doubt Aberforth could have known if it was a horcrux really, so why show it to Albus, he knew he was buying hot merchandise that's why he walked off before the trio could get up to him.
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...I thought Aberforth was dead...

Posts: 1006 · Posted: June 21, 2007 3:42 pm Post subject:

no, he's the barmen of the hogs head. He was at Dumbledore's funeral, it is just not known to Harry that he is Albus' brother. JKR confirmed that elsewhere, not in the book that it was indeed Aberforth who is the barmen.

Sirius brother is dead, maybe that's what you're thinking of.

On one of the bigger harry potter message boards I have seen many people discuss what role Dumbledore's brother will play in the DH's.
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Posts: 3283 · Posted: June 22, 2007 1:29 am Post subject:

thats funny DD extreemly successful and the best wiz around... but his brother he owns a bar...

Posts: 28094 · Posted: June 22, 2007 8:31 am Post subject:

yeah i know... i find it really cute though. such a great disparity between hem yet they love each other. its really cute. id like to see a pic of dumbledore beside aberforth.

anyway, about the locket. i presume aberforth would either have worn the locket or shown to dumbleodre what mundungus, the sneak thief, had sold to him. its kinda fishy that a slytherin locket happens to be in the pocket of that smelly sneak thief. so aberforth may have mentioned it at least.
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Posts: 16486 · Posted: June 22, 2007 1:58 pm Post subject:

then dumbledore would have know where that horcrux was and destroyed it already, and he would have told Harry he had done it.
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Posts: 1006 · Posted: June 22, 2007 4:34 pm Post subject:

My point is, is that Aberforth might not know it's a horcrux, it wasn't described in OOTP as having a snake on it but perhaps RAB put a disillusionment charm on it so it wouldn't be recognizable. Plus if Aberforth bought something stolen, he wouldn't tell his brother.

Aberforth did unnatural things to goats, Albus says so in GoF, so apparently Aberforth isn't all there in the head. He's not as respectable as Albus.
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Posts: 28094 · Posted: June 23, 2007 7:10 am Post subject:

but he doesnt trust mundungus. sirius said so. mundungus dressed like a witch when he went to the hog's head because the barman there has a long memory and im presuming he did something not so nice to aberforth. so aberforth wouldnt buy from him. and he didnt disguise himself when he sold the locket (if ever he did)
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Posts: 1006 · Posted: June 23, 2007 7:46 am Post subject:

well then why were they the only two other people outside talking to each other in horrible weather? why even stand there outside and talk to him? If he was so concerned that Mundungus stole that stuff, why wouldn't he just try to take it away to return it to its rightful owner? hmmm

Perhaps he didn't like to talk to him but when he had something of interest, he put his differences aside.
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Posts: 28094 · Posted: June 23, 2007 8:04 am Post subject:

may be...

maybe not...

i would rather that the locket be in the Black vault.
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Posts: 1006 · Posted: June 23, 2007 9:46 am Post subject:

well i never heard of that so I can't have a theory about it. lol
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Posts: 28094 · Posted: June 23, 2007 11:35 am Post subject:

this guy named karwood had a theory that the fake locket was actually placed by regulus there because it is the key to where the real horcrux is - which is the black family vault.

this means to say that the locket we saw in ootp is nothing.

and this gave me an idea. if you look at the uk edition of DH, you will see that the trio are being sucked in a vault. looks like gringgotts? maybe its not. maybe its the private vault of the blacks.

and dya see ths sign on the spine of the uk ed? well, i dunno, but that could be the "key" that opens the vault.
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Posts: 1006 · Posted: June 23, 2007 11:43 am Post subject:

ehhh

definitely possible but I'll refrain from giving my opinion on that particular theory.

as for the symbol, everyone first said it was a Rune but I talked to a lady who actually wrote books about Runes and she said it is not a rune, not even rune like.

It's just magically composite symbols placed together, but she didn't give me any more info than that. I did my own research on it and the symbols of the triangle and circle together could represent something about spirits coming back from beyond the grave and being under the control of a person who is in possession of whatever controls them (like a wand that has the symbol inscribed into it. this was one of my other theories that this is what Harry and Voldie are reaching for on the US version and that the shadows in the background are the spirits that are under control of the inscribed wand and that Voldie kidnapped Olivander so that he would make him this wand.)

But that's just another theory. There are millions more.

But I'd like to add more to the theory this thread is about.

The chapter in which this all happens is Silver and Opals and it's also the same chapter that Katie Bell gets hurt.

She gets hurt by touching a NECKLACE, and of course we assume Slytherin's locket, where ever it is, is probably attached to a necklace. Now, I'm not saying these objects are linked, but from a literary standpoint, I think it would be tremendous symbolism and a very clever clue to write it this way. While the two objects are not linked to one another, besides that they are both dark objects, I think it's just interesting, if indeed the symbolism is true. That's the key word SYMBOLISM, and I'm not talking about Harry Potter, but just literature and writing processes as a whole.
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Posts: 16486 · Posted: June 23, 2007 3:13 pm Post subject:

halfbloodprincess, you can't get around the fact that aberforth and mundungus were seen together, and it appeared a transaction was in process. so he must have gotten over it to a certain degree at least.
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