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toonmili
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I'll send you a link, but you must know that I started this when my theory on Snape was just that he was good. I really didn't know much else so it is very much unlike the theories I have now.
I'll send it to you in your inbox.
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| Posted: April 28, 2007 8:30 am Post subject: |
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| Posted: April 28, 2007 8:36 am Post subject: |
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okay so I just realised that I have no idea how to send private messages.
So I'll send you the link here:
http://www.fanfiction.net/~toonmili
It's the story called a Deck of Cards. Since I don't believe what I have thee anymore it's now just a S/L fic with a little bit of wishful thinking.
just ignore the other Harry Potter story, I have been trying to delete that for sometime now but it doesn't want to go away.
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| Posted: April 28, 2007 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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| toonmili wrote: |
I jjust don't like it when people say i base my ideas on fanfiction. I have never gotten a theory from fanfic. I have written a fanfic based on my theories just to see how it will play out.
Beides that I thing I wrote is subject to change, if I get new evidence that supports or refutes it. |
I consider anything not from the book fan fiction. Your a fan and it was based off your opinion not facts. Did you read my comments at the bottom? There are way to many loops holes in this theory and Snape's character is thrown off prospective.
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toonmili
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| Posted: April 28, 2007 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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oh please you know you meant that I read some fanfic and got some ideas. When fans come up with things it is called theories, we all have them. I just tried to link them together.
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| toonmili wrote: |
| oh please you know you meant that I read some fanfic and got some ideas. When fans come up with things it is called theories, we all have them. I just tried to link them together. |
No i didn't. Your whole theory is made up Fanfic. I never said you got your ideas from them. Nothing in your theory is based from the book. Just Fan based guessing from you. Not to mention you totally killed Snape's character.
You skipped around to much on the time line to. i was getting a bit confused. Also some of the thing you did extract from the book were wrong. You just changed them around to make you theory look correct. That's what puts holes in your theory. I don't think one person can get so much information out of one little memory. even looking back to 50 years with a pretend agreement by Tom and Prince.
You also said she lost her ability to do magic after being abused.
then you said she trained Snape.
Then all of a sudden you state she still couldn't do magic.
From the looks of it this theory is just trying to make Snape look like the good guy. His character fits no where near "begging" or being a "Hero".
He is who he is you can't just change him because you want him to be good just like everybody else. Everyone is jumping on the "i love Snape" bandwagon it's not even funny.
Every week its a thread about R.A.B and Snape. its getting quiet annoying.
There are other important event to talk about then Snape and R.A.B.
Do you see where i am coming from ? Snape's character lays down more on a lonewolf. Have you ever seen him ask for help? Do you ever see him talking to people ? very Rare!
Observing from the book could benefit you theory's more.
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| Posted: April 28, 2007 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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oh my god.
I said she lost her ability to do magic becasue she was abused.
But she decided to train Snape by giving him her books. She didn't train him in practice, she trained him in theory. Do you understand what I mean. You don't need to have magical powers to help someone understand what a book is saying.
I skipped somethings because it would have been too long to write out everything.
You have been putting words in my mouth.
For once read the whole post.
I understant what you are saying by it being fanfiction but before you were making it sound like I based my ideas on Fanfiction. As long as I have said my peace on that I am fine. I just hated the idea that someone would think I based my ideas on fanfiction.
If you can't see what I am talking about, Fine, I didn't expect you to. I just wanted to show you that there can be countless reasons why Snape joined the death eaters, some may be because he's good and may not.
But It is silly to assume anything on Snape because there's just not enough information to state his character at that time.
Again I am not saying that what I wrote Happened or will happen I am saying that that along with countless other things could have happened. And that's the point that you are missing.
Forget the problems you have with the sequence. Forget that you don't agree that Snape is not evil.
I'm just asking you to see that we cannot automatically assume reasons for why Snape did what he did.
Do you understand what I am saying now.
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| Posted: April 28, 2007 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="toonmili"]oh my god.
I said she lost her ability to do magic becasue she was abused.
Yes I know.
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But she decided to train Snape by giving him her books. She didn't train him in practice, she trained him in theory. Do you understand what I mean. You don't need to have magical powers to help someone understand what a book is saying.
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That makes more sense but it’s still fanfic.
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| I skipped somethings because it would have been too long to write out everything. |
I recommended when you have more time you write out more info. Some parts are very confusing.
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| You have been putting words in my mouth. |
Excuse me ? You’re a hypocrite. 1st off when did I put words in your mouth. 2nd you just said I was accusing you of reading other peoples fan fic when I never said that. I said you whole theory is fan fiction because there are no facts and/or proff the can back up any of this theory. This is purely fan fiction.
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| For once read the whole post. |
I have but I can see your not reading mine.
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| I understant what you are saying by it being fanfiction but before you were making it sound like I based my ideas on Fanfiction. As long as I have said my peace on that I am fine. I just hated the idea that someone would think I based my ideas on fanfiction. |
That never came out my mouth ..well my keyboard…but basically I was stating your story is fanfic. I never said “you stole this from fanfic” I also believe you should title this has fan fiction because some users are reading bits and running off with the wrong idea. Then they weill become disappointed with book 7.
If you can't see what I am talking about, Fine, I didn't expect you to. I just wanted to show you that there can be countless reasons why Snape joined the death eaters, some may be because he's good and may not.
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| But It is silly to assume anything on Snape because there's just not enough information to state his character at that time. |
Well growing up we know he was abused. In a child that can leave lack of trust. Which explains why he is alone in Snape’s worst memory. He was always alone which is why I gave him the title of lone wolf. When he seen the tri in POA went under the tree did he go for reinforcments ? No. When he protected Harry from the bludger did ask for help ? No. When Harry was sneaking to honey dukes and he knew there was a secret passage did ask filtch for assistance ? No. (Filtch had experience with the secret passage ways.) Do you normally see him in the hall ways chatting with teachers ? No. He doesn’t even give out private classes with students who are failing.
Also, Doing these things doesn’t make him a hero. He was being a teacher and a teacher would always protect the apprentice’s hated or not.
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| Again I am not saying that what I wrote Happened or will happen I am saying that that along with countless other things could have happened. And that's the point that you are missing. |
No I am not. I just think you just put in parentheses (FanFic). Also Some of your facts from the books are wrong. Trust me I am a looser. I have read each book more then 50 times. I have a check off list some where showing how many times I have red them ( I do not jest when I say I read them over 50 times)
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Forget the problems you have with the sequence. Forget that you don't agree that Snape is not evil.
I'm just asking you to see that we cannot automatically assume reasons for why Snape did what he did.
Do you understand what I am saying now. |
Ok. I do see where your coming from. It’s just Snapes character doesn’t fit in. It bothers me. He would never beg. I showed our debate and your theory on my site and a few people agreed that they don’t think Snape’s character was the way it should be.
Also, Don’t you think it’s a bit off track with the whole deal with Prince and Riddle ?
Don’t you think it’s possible Snape joined the Death Eaters on his own. He WAS fascinated by the Dark Arts. Do you think he could possibly learn more by being with a group of wizards like himself? Even if he didn’t hate mud bloods there are other possible reasons why he joined the death eater. Even for revenge purposes. Agree ?
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okay I use to think that he joined on his own but after I read the theory about Snape mom being Madame Pince and I connected Dumbledore telling Draco that they could hide him and his mother better than he could imagine, I decided that something similar went on. I still don't think that I have written fanfic.
I call stories like Hermione/Draco stories fanfic. because it will never happen.
Now all the points I have listed have theories behind it. They are long. There is canon to prove them.
I can post them but I feel like it will be so long.
But if you really want to understnad where I am coming from check out this page: look for postings from Bscorp.
http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=89454&page=6
I think it explains a great deal, some of it is a bit farfetched and I don't agree with it but I generally belive that she is Snape's mother.
I don't think I need to tell you the Snape and Lily theory because that's known everywhere.
When you have got through all those post let me know.
You may not agree with Pince being Snape mother but I just wanted to show that there is canon to support it. Those people on that site don't miss a thing.
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| Posted: April 28, 2007 10:56 pm Post subject: Re: Why Lily fell for James |
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ya that could happen
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I dont think Lily and Snape ever had anything for each other, I think Lily and James got together having nothing to do with Snape.
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| Posted: September 7, 2007 6:06 pm Post subject: Re: Why Lily fell for James |
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Sirius told Snape to go to the shrieking shack yeah, where lupin would be waiting in werewolf form and supposedly James played no part in this. Sirius told James about it who then "saved" Snape. What if the whole school only found part of the story like the part that James "saved" Snape.Thus she(Lily) thought he was a hero and also thought she had got him all wrong leading her to fall in love with him.
What you think?
Well, I think that and that she fell in love with him when he stood up and got more mature.  |
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this thread has a good question and one i dont know the answer for -- for once lol
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i have always thought that snape was a good person deep down inside. everytime he did something bad/evil. i always defended him, i said that there was a reason behind it. And when we all found out that snape was in love with Lily we all know that sooo many things started to make sense.
i think that the whole snape/ lily relationship, was nothing ever more than good close friends. Even though snape was in love with lily, i believe that nothing ever happened. I'm not sure why, or what happended to make lily fall in love with James, but it must of really won her over, or that lily secretly had feelings for James. (seemilar to the ron/hermione love hate relationship).
I'm happy that lily ended up with james, instead of snape. i feel sorry for snape, but things happen for a reason.
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| LMAO?! someone delted my posts. maybe cuz they dont wana hear the truth that james is mean. |
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| D34th wrote: |
| LMAO?! someone delted my posts. maybe cuz they dont wana hear the truth that james is mean. |
No, many posts were deleted... not just yours.
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| threads? becuase my posts just got deleted |
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| threads? becuase my posts just got deleted |
posts and threads... there is some info on it in the Help Section... DarMonkey had to restore some stuff, and we basically got thrown back in time. So some posts that were made were deleted, as well as some threads. Weirddd, I know. But it's actually better this way. Feel free to repost whatever you lost, though. Posts never get deleted just because someone doesn't agree with you. We'll argue and debate, but never just shut it down. (Unless flaming ensues, but that's another story)
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No matter how she fell for him, they just fit. Even when she is insulting him I read it going "OOOOOhhh". Love them.
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The dark mark... you said :
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* Severus thanks him. However he is still skeptical and is not willing to leave Lily's life in the hands a person who loves to murder. He remembers how dumbledore was sympathetic towards Lupin.
*sings* FanFic
Umm... how is that FanFic anyway? Voldemort is one that loves to murder. And Dumbledore... well... he was sympathetic towards Lupin...
He's a werewolf.
I'm confused with that.
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| Why she fell for James? Well, really, why not? |
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I don't think James was the jerk you guys are making him out to be. I mean obviously people liked him, adults and students. I'm not sure why you think he was lazy either, he got decent marks(if i remember right) and he was on the qudditch team. I really don't think Lilly ever loved Snape, I think there was a point in time when she thought of him as a close friend, but once he realized she didn't love him he kind of cut off the relationship, by calling her a mudblood in that one scene.
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| Posted: October 18, 2007 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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| I dont think Lily and Snape ever had anything for each other, I think Lily and James got together having nothing to do with Snape. |
I completely agree.
& Severus and Lily would've been horrible together. James was a great person for Lily, so I don't know what you guys are all saying. He died to hold off Voldemort, even without his wand. I think he deserves atleast some respect for that alone.
She loved James, I think she meerly had a small crush on Snape in their begining years at Hogwarts.
Also in an interview it was said the main reason why James was a bully to Snape was because he suspected Snape's hidden feelings for Lily. I personally not being a Severus fan, although I do think he's a good character... think that James was simply immature.
I mean honestly, at the age of fifteen, everyone is immature. Remus and Sirius said he changed, so give James a break. He's a good guy. |
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