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Kino
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Your right.
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TheBoyWhoLived
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| Posted: September 3, 2007 10:56 am Post subject: ?? |
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That doesn't even make sense.
Harry couldn't go back in time to save
himself. He was alive still. How can you go back
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True... I think DD meant Sirius and Buckbeak, because Buckbeak was dead, and Sirius would soon be worse than dead.
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| Yeah. But the basic reason why they went back was to save Sirius. But they realized that they could save Buckbeak also. So its means Sirius and Buckbeak. Yet, Dumbledore did not know that Harry was going to get a Dementors kiss. So its really Buckbeak and Sirius. |
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GinnyX
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Harry doesn't get a dementor's kiss. Snape comes and saves them before it happens.
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zengrenouille
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| Posted: February 25, 2008 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Harry doesn't get a dementor's kiss. Snape comes and saves them before it happens. |
No, Harry saved them with his patronus. They fled that area when Harry sent out his patronus. Snape merely took them back up to the castle.
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| If all goes well, you will be able to save more than one innocent life tonight |
"More than one", not two. So it could mean all three (not to mention all the lives saved later since Harry lived).
Oh and another thought: had Harry and Sirius been kissed they would still be alive, technically... So it's actually just Buckbeak! 
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I've never though it that way. I've always think that is was obvios that Dumbledore ment Buckbeak and Sirius :D
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Oh and another thought: had Harry and Sirius been kissed they would still be alive, technically... So it's actually just Buckbeak! |
No, without a soul you can die. That's why Voldemort made Horcruxes. 
Harry never gets his soul sucked. Sirius is the one in danger of that happening later on at Hogwarts.
Getting your soul sucked is a "fate worse than death."
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zengrenouille
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| Posted: March 26, 2008 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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Oh and another thought: had Harry and Sirius been kissed they would still be alive, technically... So it's actually just Buckbeak! |
No, without a soul you can die. That's why Voldemort made Horcruxes.
Harry never gets his soul sucked. Sirius is the one in danger of that happening later on at Hogwarts.
Getting your soul sucked is a "fate worse than death." |
But a pair of strong, clammy hands suddenly attached themselves around Harry's neck. They were forcing his face upward. . . . He could feel its breath. . . . It was going to get rid of him first. . . . He could feel its putrid breath. . . . His mother was screaming. . . . She was going to be that last thing her eve heard ---
Sounds like a kiss to me.
What I don't understand is that in the fifth book, her mentions saving Hermione from the dementors, but I don't remember him ever saving her from the dementors. She wasn't even near the dementors, really.
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But a pair of strong, clammy hands suddenly attached themselves around Harry's neck. They were forcing his face upward. . . . He could feel its breath. . . . It was going to get rid of him first. . . . He could feel its putrid breath. . . . His mother was screaming. . . . She was going to be that last thing her eve heard ---
Sounds like a kiss to me. |
Snape interrupted them. It was not a complete kiss. Otherwise, when Harry woke up, he wouldn't have had a soul.
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What I don't understand is that in the fifth book, her mentions saving Hermione from the dementors, but I don't remember him ever saving her from the dementors. She wasn't even near the dementors, really. |
Not sure what you meant here... did you mean "he mentions..."
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| Posted: March 26, 2008 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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But a pair of strong, clammy hands suddenly attached themselves around Harry's neck. They were forcing his face upward. . . . He could feel its breath. . . . It was going to get rid of him first. . . . He could feel its putrid breath. . . . His mother was screaming. . . . She was going to be that last thing her eve heard ---
Sounds like a kiss to me. |
Snape interrupted them. It was not a complete kiss. Otherwise, when Harry woke up, he wouldn't have had a soul. |
snape didn't interrupt. The future Harry produced a patronus and took the dementors out. Then Snape came along.
The point was that Harry was indanger of being kissed. The dementors weren't supposed to kiss him, but they were getting out of control due to the fact that they hadn't been feeding off of people for awhile.
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What I don't understand is that in the fifth book, her mentions saving Hermione from the dementors, but I don't remember him ever saving her from the dementors. She wasn't even near the dementors, really. |
Not sure what you meant here... did you mean "he mentions..." |
Harry did. When he wanted to go save Sirius from the ministry and Hermione was trying to logic him out of it. The last point she felt she had to make was that he had a thing for saving people. He was mad, so he told her that she didn't mind that he had a thing for saving people when he saved her from the dementors. Hermione was farther back, though. Harry had gone up to get a closer look at what was happening. The dementors weren't near her at all.
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snape didn't interrupt. The future Harry produced a patronus and took the dementors out. Then Snape came along.
The point was that Harry was indanger of being kissed. The dementors weren't supposed to kiss him, but they were getting out of control due to the fact that they hadn't been feeding off of people for awhile.
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I meant to say that Snape found them, but okay... here is the thing.... and I am going to try to explain this.... whether or not Harry went back in time, HE was never in danger of the kiss That He Knew Of. When Harry and Hermione went back in time, they thought they were saving Sirius from getting a Kiss at Hogwrts. They quickly learned that Buckbeak was also going to be saved. Harry was just an afterthought. Snape approached just as the dementors were leaving. Had Harry not produced the patronus charm, Snape could have. The fact that they saved Buckbeak is what was really more important. Harry would have lived either way. It was Sirius and Buckbeak they truly saved. Harry's patronus did help save them, but they most likely would have lived, anyway.
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Harry did. When he wanted to go save Sirius from the ministry and Hermione was trying to logic him out of it. The last point she felt she had to make was that he had a thing for saving people. He was mad, so he told her that she didn't mind that he had a thing for saving people when he saved her from the dementors. Hermione was farther back, though. Harry had gone up to get a closer look at what was happening. The dementors weren't near her at all. |
I would have to go and check my book, but I think Hermione was at a safe distance. Perhaps Harry meant that as a general thing.
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| Posted: March 26, 2008 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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snape didn't interrupt. The future Harry produced a patronus and took the dementors out. Then Snape came along.
The point was that Harry was indanger of being kissed. The dementors weren't supposed to kiss him, but they were getting out of control due to the fact that they hadn't been feeding off of people for awhile.
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I meant to say that Snape found them, but okay... here is the thing.... and I am going to try to explain this.... whether or not Harry went back in time, HE was never in danger of the kiss That He Knew Of. When Harry and Hermione went back in time, they thought they were saving Sirius from getting a Kiss at Hogwrts. They quickly learned that Buckbeak was also going to be saved. Harry was just an afterthought. Snape approached just as the dementors were leaving. Had Harry not produced the patronus charm, Snape could have. The fact that they saved Buckbeak is what was really more important. Harry would have lived either way. It was Sirius and Buckbeak they truly saved. Harry's patronus did help save them, but they most likely would have lived, anyway.
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Snape came minutes later, not directly after. Harry would have been kissed by the time that Snape got there. That said, I don't think that DD was implying that Harry could cave himself when he made that comment about saving more that one life. My point was that Harry was in danger of being kissed, but you were apparently talking about another place and another time.
There is no doubt in my mind, though, that Harry would have been kissed if his future self hadn't been around in a lucky coincidence.
Also, I just wanted to point out that I think that there was a bit of confusion in this:
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Oh and another thought: had Harry and Sirius been kissed they would still be alive, technically... So it's actually just Buckbeak! |
No, without a soul you can die. That's why Voldemort made Horcruxes.
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When kwidditch made that comment, she wasn't implying that soul-less people cannot die. She was merely saying that being kissed wouldn't kill techniquely have killed Harry. He would have still been alive -- he just wouldn't have had a sould.
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| zengrenouille wrote: |
Also, I just wanted to point out that I think that there was a bit of confusion in this:
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Oh and another thought: had Harry and Sirius been kissed they would still be alive, technically... So it's actually just Buckbeak! |
No, without a soul you can die. That's why Voldemort made Horcruxes.
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When kwidditch made that comment, she wasn't implying that soul-less people cannot die. She was merely saying that being kissed wouldn't kill techniquely have killed Harry. He would have still been alive -- he just wouldn't have had a sould. |
You didn't quote my whole statement. I also said....
Getting your soul sucked is a "fate worse than death."
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Also, I just wanted to point out that I think that there was a bit of confusion in this:
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Oh and another thought: had Harry and Sirius been kissed they would still be alive, technically... So it's actually just Buckbeak! |
No, without a soul you can die. That's why Voldemort made Horcruxes.
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When kwidditch made that comment, she wasn't implying that soul-less people cannot die. She was merely saying that being kissed wouldn't kill techniquely have killed Harry. He would have still been alive -- he just wouldn't have had a sould. |
You didn't quote my whole statement. I also said....
Getting your soul sucked is a "fate worse than death." |
My point that I thought you confused kwidditch's statement. She was agreeing with you to begin with. That part of the quote didn't seem important to the mix-up that I was pointing out. She wasn't saying that you can't die without your soul, but it seemed that you thought that was what she was saying.
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My point that I thought you confused kwidditch's statement. She was agreeing with you to begin with. That part of the quote didn't seem important to the mix-up that I was pointing out. She wasn't saying that you can't die without your soul, but it seemed that you thought that was what she was saying. |
I think I'm still confused. 
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My point that I thought you confused kwidditch's statement. She was agreeing with you to begin with. That part of the quote didn't seem important to the mix-up that I was pointing out. She wasn't saying that you can't die without your soul, but it seemed that you thought that was what she was saying. |
I think I'm still confused. |
So am I . . .
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I'm a "he", by the way...
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| I'm a "he", by the way... |
haha . . . sorry . . . I keep forgetting to look at the gender incicators.
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Nah, I hadn't specified it 'till now.
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