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PostPosted: July 13, 2008 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The only one who fits Obi-Wan properly is DD. Lupin or Moody would fit Yoda best, in my opinion.


but if dd is obi-wan then nobody could fit yoda. therefor, dd must be yoda and somebody who taught Harry and was a father figure to him could be obi. ooo somebody who sacrificed themselves for him. Sirius sounds a good candidate.
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PostPosted: July 13, 2008 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sirius was very much a father figure to harry and his death hurt harry a lot much like obi wans did for luke I say if DD is yoda sirius should be obi wan
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PostPosted: July 13, 2008 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And Yoda >>> Mace as far as the force went. Therefore, as an overall fighter, Yoda takes top prize.


Why would you consider force power more important? You saw what happened when Sidious fought Mace..

EDIT: Also, while Sirius may not be a perfect match for Obi, it's probably the closest without going to Dumbledore. which is why I wanted the switch. Razz
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PostPosted: July 13, 2008 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree dumbledore is the perfect obi but he is a better yoda then anyone else so it makes sense to pick someone else for obi
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PostPosted: July 14, 2008 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And Yoda >>> Mace as far as the force went. Therefore, as an overall fighter, Yoda takes top prize.


Why would you consider force power more important? You saw what happened when Sidious fought Mace..

EDIT: Also, while Sirius may not be a perfect match for Obi, it's probably the closest without going to Dumbledore. which is why I wanted the switch. Razz


Oh, I don't know, maybe it's because the force is the governing, er, force of everything in existence. So, one who has better control over it is a more powerful person. Also, Mace Windu was only a shade better swordfighter than Yoda, if at all. It is pretty safe to say the most powerful figure in SW movie canon was between Darth Vader and Yoda.

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Scarlet_Witch wrote:
sirius was very much a father figure to harry and his death hurt harry a lot much like obi wans did for luke I say if DD is yoda sirius should be obi wan


I second this post.
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PostPosted: July 14, 2008 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Oh, I don't know, maybe it's because the force is the governing, er, force of everything in existence. So, one who has better control over it is a more powerful person. Also, Mace Windu was only a shade better swordfighter than Yoda, if at all. It is pretty safe to say the most powerful figure in SW movie canon was between Darth Vader and Yoda.


Your statement on the force seems to imply that whoever has better control of the force is the automatic winner. If that was the case, why the lightsabers? I don't consider Mace a "shade" better. Mace not only mastered the 6 styles of lightsaber comabt, but invented a new 7th style and was the only one to master it. I personally think he came much closer to killing Sidius with lightsaber combat than Yoda ever did with anything. Plus, you make it sound like Mace has poor Force mastery. His overall importance is considered second only to Yoda, and Mace is something like 40 or 50 years old. Yoda being over 800? He has tons of experience. Yoda probably is a better Force wielder.. I just have a problem with the fact that you said Yoda was a better overall fighter because he was better at Force Control. That's not really right, is what I'm basically trying to say. Ignoring this, Yoda or whoever else is probably NOT the best fighter in the SW Universe.
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PostPosted: July 14, 2008 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

who do you think lucius should be? Darth Maul perhaps
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PostPosted: July 14, 2008 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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who do you think lucius should be? Darth Maul perhaps


To take things into wider consideration, I believe Darth Sidius should be Voldemort just so Vader can be Bellatrix and Lucious could be Darth Maul. Razz
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PostPosted: July 14, 2008 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He has more in common with vader...but I see what your saying

Didn't someone say snape should be count dooku?

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PostPosted: July 14, 2008 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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He has more in common with vader...but I see what your saying

Didn't someone say snape should be count dooku?


Actually, Bellatrix could be Dooku just so Snape could be Vader. They both like their black, and they both have a change of heart (albeit, Vader's comes a bit late).
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PostPosted: July 14, 2008 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Snape would make a better vader I think mainly bc I like snape better then bella and vader more then dooku lol
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PostPosted: July 14, 2008 1:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, the problem, however, is that I don't see that many similarities between Bellatrix and Dooku..
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PostPosted: July 14, 2008 1:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

you know sidious looks a lot like voldy pale skin redish eyes

True...there needs to be a female sith for her to be

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PostPosted: July 14, 2008 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scarlet_Witch wrote:
you know sidious looks a lot like voldy pale skin redish eyes

True...there needs to be a female sith for her to be


There are many female sith, but none of them are particularly powerful. Not in the way Bella is in relation to Voldemort and other Death Eaters.
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PostPosted: July 14, 2008 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Artemis wrote:
Your statement on the force seems to imply that whoever has better control of the force is the automatic winner. If that was the case, why the lightsabers? I don't consider Mace a "shade" better. Mace not only mastered the 6 styles of lightsaber comabt, but invented a new 7th style and was the only one to master it. I personally think he came much closer to killing Sidius with lightsaber combat than Yoda ever did with anything. Plus, you make it sound like Mace has poor Force mastery. His overall importance is considered second only to Yoda, and Mace is something like 40 or 50 years old. Yoda being over 800? He has tons of experience. Yoda probably is a better Force wielder.. I just have a problem with the fact that you said Yoda was a better overall fighter because he was better at Force Control. That's not really right, is what I'm basically trying to say. Ignoring this, Yoda or whoever else is probably NOT the best fighter in the SW Universe.


I wasn't saying that Yoda wins by default because he had better force control. I was implying that since Yoda was more accomplished in the force, whatever advantage Windu has in terms of swordmanship, yoda would cover it with his superior force abilities. Also, Yoda is quite an accomplished swordsman, and can probably fight on equal terms with Windu in that regard.

Also, try to post something on topic at the end to validate your posts, 'cause we're technically off-topic posting (even though it is insightful, well meaning posting).

Anyways, Snape wouldn't make a good parallel to Vader because his only incentive for helping Harry and staying loyal to Voldemort was his unrequited love for Lily.
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PostPosted: July 14, 2008 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Artemis wrote:
Scarlet_Witch wrote:
you know sidious looks a lot like voldy pale skin redish eyes

True...there needs to be a female sith for her to be


There are many female sith, but none of them are particularly powerful. Not in the way Bella is in relation to Voldemort and other Death Eaters.



I ment an important female sith they need like a female vader or something
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Artemis wrote:
Your statement on the force seems to imply that whoever has better control of the force is the automatic winner. If that was the case, why the lightsabers? I don't consider Mace a "shade" better. Mace not only mastered the 6 styles of lightsaber comabt, but invented a new 7th style and was the only one to master it. I personally think he came much closer to killing Sidius with lightsaber combat than Yoda ever did with anything. Plus, you make it sound like Mace has poor Force mastery. His overall importance is considered second only to Yoda, and Mace is something like 40 or 50 years old. Yoda being over 800? He has tons of experience. Yoda probably is a better Force wielder.. I just have a problem with the fact that you said Yoda was a better overall fighter because he was better at Force Control. That's not really right, is what I'm basically trying to say. Ignoring this, Yoda or whoever else is probably NOT the best fighter in the SW Universe.


I wasn't saying that Yoda wins by default because he had better force control. I was implying that since Yoda was more accomplished in the force, whatever advantage Windu has in terms of swordmanship, yoda would cover it with his superior force abilities. Also, Yoda is quite an accomplished swordsman, and can probably fight on equal terms with Windu in that regard.

Also, try to post something on topic at the end to validate your posts, 'cause we're technically off-topic posting (even though it is insightful, well meaning posting).

Anyways, Snape wouldn't make a good parallel to Vader because his only incentive for helping Harry and staying loyal to Voldemort was his unrequited love for Lily.


Well he wouldn't be if you were that specific. But in general terms he works out nicely. Not to mention that Vader killed Sidius and Snape was working against Voldemort throughout the books (ignoring pre-birth Harry)
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PostPosted: July 14, 2008 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vaders love for amadala matches snapes love for lily except vader got who he wanted
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PostPosted: July 14, 2008 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scarlet_Witch wrote:
vaders love for amadala matches snapes love for lily except vader got who he wanted


Except Anakin fulfilled that love, Snape's was unrequited.

I will give them that they were driven by love. Vader lost his way after a while though...
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PostPosted: July 14, 2008 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vader always loved amadala he
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PostPosted: July 14, 2008 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

so what was the final list?

harry - luke
hermione- leah
ron- hans
hagrid- wookie
umbride- jabba
DD-yoda
sirius- obi wan
boba fett- fenrir


who did i miss?
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PostPosted: July 14, 2008 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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so what was the final list?

harry - luke
hermione- leah
ron- hans
hagrid- wookie
umbride- jabba
DD-yoda
sirius- obi wan
boba fett- fenrir


who did i miss?



I still maintain that DD should be Obi. In what way, shape or form does Sirius fulfill the requirements of Obi?
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PostPosted: July 14, 2008 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GinnyX wrote:
ravvy wrote:
so what was the final list?

harry - luke
hermione- leah
ron- hans
hagrid- wookie
umbride- jabba
DD-yoda
sirius- obi wan
boba fett- fenrir


who did i miss?



I still maintain that DD should be Obi. In what way, shape or form does Sirius fulfill the requirements of Obi?


father figure, mentor, he dies lol

but sure DD can be more than one thing
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