i know not harry potter but its politics and she is the most qualifies canidate and we all know its true and if u dont like, probaly for some reason about her and her husband, maybe u should look at either McCains relationship with Bush or obamas reltionship with rev. wright!!
go hillary!! _________________ To the well-organized mind, death is but the next great adventure
i know not harry potter but its politics and she is the most qualifies canidate and we all know its true and if u dont like, probaly for some reason about her and her husband, maybe u should look at either McCains relationship with Bush or obamas reltionship with rev. wright!!
Please do not insult my (or anyone else's for that matter) intelligence by using irrelevant, pointless, and blatantly false calumnies to slander the reputation of every political opponent your candidate of choice has. Please do not insult Hillary Clinton by suggesting that her only strength is the fact that her supporters are willing to throw every ridiculous, slanderous insult under the sun out at her opponents. Issues are all that matter and I will explode if I hear any political debates (in regard to the campaign of 2008) that deal with anything other than issues. I've heard enough bull from every major media corporation already, and I don't need to here it from anyone else. _________________
Uhh.. I thought John Edwards was the most qualified candidate. It doesn't mean everyone else has to think the same as me. I don't dislike Hilary Clinton because of her husband. That's just ridiculous.
Uhh.. I thought John Edwards was the most qualified candidate. It doesn't mean everyone else has to think the same as me.
Here here! I was a Edwards girl through and through. I definately think that Hillary is the best candidate out of the ones that are left. Obama opens his mouth and say nothing worth hearing. He has these great speeches about unification, but he has the whole black supremacy thing going on. I don't care what any one else says, he definately does. He looks like an idiot in every debate. He just comes off as childish to me. I'm not one of those people who merely thinks that he's inexperienced. I don't think that experience necessarily makes a good president. I just really think that he needs to mature a bit.
Also, Chosen , I think it's great that you are interested in politics at such a young age. I agree that your position didn't come off as strong, but you've got time to work on that. _________________
Personally, I thought Edwards was the worst of the three candidates. His entire platform was 'Hillary doesn't know what she's talking about, so vote for me.' Obama and Clinton might as well be identical - the differences between them are strictly personality and electability. McCain scares me - he's honest, but he doesn't know anything about running the country economically or militarily, and now he's using xenophobic appeal to win votes; I'd fear for the remnants of civil rights we have left in this country if he got into office.
Right now, all that's relevant is whether Clinton or Obama wins the nomination, and really all that matters is that it is decided quickly since they are essentially the same candidate. _________________
Personally, I thought Edwards was the worst of the three candidates. His entire platform was 'Hillary doesn't know what she's talking about, so vote for me.' Obama and Clinton might as well be identical - the differences between them are strictly personality and electability. McCain scares me - he's honest, but he doesn't know anything about running the country economically or militarily, and now he's using xenophobic appeal to win votes; I'd fear for the remnants of civil rights we have left in this country if he got into office.
Right now, all that's relevant is whether Clinton or Obama wins the nomination, and really all that matters is that it is decided quickly since they are essentially the same candidate.
I'm not voting age either but extremely interested in politics, I think everyone should be. We need to end the generation of apathy and start making change.
As to your statement I completely agree, I thought Edwards was the least qualified as well. And I don't see how many go on saying how Obama and Hilary are so much different, they are not. Both are striving for the exact same thing they just take similar, but different approaches. ie Obama doesn't want to force health care on citizens that can't afford it, he wants to lower the prices for those with a smaller salary, while Hilary wants to make Health Care mandatory taking it out of checks.
I'm all for Obama though, even though I can't vote I still have the right to an opinion. I give my opinion as well whenever neccessay to try and convince people so in the end I'm influencing votes.
Also I have had about enough of all this talk of if Hilary or Obama wins they will be assassinated, this is ridiculous. If a president is going to get killed it's not going to be for gender or race, it will be because of how they act and their policies. If bush survived eight years, Obama or Hilary will be fine. Also, security is a lot more than just a few men protecting the president. _________________
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I'm not voting age either but extremely interested in politics, I think everyone should be. We need to end the generation of apathy and start making change.
Word. I can vote this year (I turn 18 in September, and yes that means I didn't get to vote in the Primary), but I definitely think people should start actually educating themselves about politics whether they can vote or not. There are far too many people who vote based on party lines without knowing just about anything that purtains to the candidates and their issues.
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Also I have had about enough of all this talk of if Hilary or Obama wins they will be assassinated, this is ridiculous. If a president is going to get killed it's not going to be for gender or race, it will be because of how they act and their policies. If bush survived eight years, Obama or Hilary will be fine. Also, security is a lot more than just a few men protecting the president.
Actually if a president is going to be killed, it will not be over gender, race, party, or policies, it will be over the low quality of their security. There have been no modern breaks in presidential security, and I firmly believe that at this point in time, nobody without government connections could assassinate the president single-handedly. _________________
Also I have had about enough of all this talk of if Hilary or Obama wins they will be assassinated, this is ridiculous. If a president is going to get killed it's not going to be for gender or race, it will be because of how they act and their policies. If bush survived eight years, Obama or Hilary will be fine. Also, security is a lot more than just a few men protecting the president.
Actually if a president is going to be killed, it will not be over gender, race, party, or policies, it will be over the low quality of their security. There have been no modern breaks in presidential security, and I firmly believe that at this point in time, nobody without government connections could assassinate the president single-handedly.
I was refering to the reasoning behind the killing of a president. I agree, security is far too great for someone without government connections to kill the president. _________________
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She's calling for you to make donations to her campaign. Donate now, and pay down her own 11.4 million dollar loan to her campaign so she doesn't have to.
"The same hard working people she claims she"s "championing" for, is the same people she plans on robbing." My thoughts exactly.
People say that Obama is all talk. Well, check out who are listening...many of these people are ready to make a positive difference, and if this benefits the economic crisis, the environment, relations with other countries, the war in the Middle East, etc., then what is so bad about someone who can make people think and make positive changes?
And about Obama being a black supremacist, I'd like to see actual evidence of that. Its kind of hard to make that claim, especially since he gives credit to his white relatives for raising him. But please, I welcome examples, but I know it might be hard to come by because it would pain some of you to actually sit, listen and understand what he says in his speeches. Are you afraid that you might start believing in some of the things he says?
She's calling for you to make donations to her campaign. Donate now, and pay down her own 11.4 million dollar loan to her campaign so she doesn't have to.
"The same hard working people she claims she"s "championing" for, is the same people she plans on robbing." My thoughts exactly.
All candidates ask for donations... so does Obama. _________________
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But Obama isn't loaning any money to his campaign. The key word is loan...Hillary is expecting to get 11.4 million dollars back. And from whom?
He is still spending money on his campaign.... there is no difference. It's money that could be going to help... feed and house the poor, education, a million other things. Candidates always spend tons of money on their campaigns. That is why rich people have always had the upperhand. But if they don't have that money, they need to get it somewhere. So they ask for donations. Obama does it, too. They have to getthe money from somewhere. She isn't forcing anyone to donate money. So don't worry, you don't have to pay anything if you don't want to. _________________
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Oh, I'm not worried that I will have to pay down Hillary's loan. I'm worried that her supporters (esp. the struggling, working class people out there) will continue to fund her campaign with false hopes that she will actually win the nomination.
Oh, I'm not worried that I will have to pay down Hillary's loan. I'm worried that her supporters (esp. the struggling, working class people out there) will continue to fund her campaign with false hopes that she will actually win the nomination.
So... Obama's supporters aren't struggling, working class? Are all of Clinton's supporter's struggling, working class? That's what you are making it sound like and that isn't true.
People fund her campaign hoping she will win, just like with every candidate a supporter funds. _________________
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No, sorry, what you are interpreting is not what I mean.
I am a member of the struggling working class. I've got two mortgages and a student loan, I pay for all sorts of insurance, and I get frustrated every time I have to pay a bill, buy gas and food at the market. I worry about the possiblity of bringing a child into the world and not being able to support it.
All I am saying here is that if I were a Clinton suppporter, I would not want her to ask me to donate, especially now, when all arrows are pointing to her losing.
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No, sorry, what you are interpreting is not what I mean.
I am a member of the struggling working class. I've got two mortgages and a student loan, I pay for all sorts of insurance, and I get frustrated every time I have to pay a bill, buy gas and food at the market.
All I am saying here is that if I were a Clinton suppporter, I would not want her to ask me to donate, especially now, when all arrows are pointing to her losing.
You don't think someone should donate money that they might not be able to spare because of a campaign that might not end up in her favor? Well, that's not very optomistic. It's really no diffrent from every other candidate that has ever won or lost a campaign in the history of the world. If no one donates money, then only rich people would ever win elections.The best we can do is try. If we don't try, then there is no hope for the lower-class income people at all.
If people stop donating money to Clinton, then Obama would definitely win and many people do not want that to happen. If they stopped donating money, then they'd be giivng up on the candidate they feel is the better choice. And giving up would be worse than trying. _________________
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You don't think someone should donate money that they might not be able to spare because of a campaign that might not end up in her favor?
Well, I don't have much to spare, and I've donated. I just don't understand how she thinks she can still win. I really don't think she can.
Bottom line: Clinton has tried and even her staunch supporters are urging her to drop out. The lack of campaign contributions is reflective of the support that she appears to be losing.
Optimism, while good, has to meet realism somewhere along the way.
It's not only poor people who are donating... but it's the lower income people who are supporting her because they know that she would do a better job than Obama. Obama's policies are only watered down, lame replicas of her ideas. Obama certainly didn't turn down any donations from any supporters based on their income and if he was losing he wouldn't stop accepting their donations either. He's not a better person just because she's accepting donations. He's just a smooth talker who has nothing important to say except things Clinton has said already. _________________
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How candidates run their campaign is irrelevant to whether or not they will be a good president. Clinton and Obama both hold almost identical policy positions. _________________
It's not only poor people who are donating... but it's the lower income people who are supporting her because they know that she would do a better job than Obama. Obama's policies are only watered down, lame replicas of her ideas. Obama certainly didn't turn down any donations from any supporters based on their income and if he was losing he wouldn't stop accepting their donations either. He's not a better person just because she's accepting donations. He's just a smooth talker who has nothing important to say except things Clinton has said already.
Who's to say his policies are replica's of hers. Her policies are replicas of his but emphasize tyranny more. I'm pretty sure Obama was the one disagreeing with this war from the beginning and Hilary changed sides midway, which isn't a bad thing. If more people admited they're wrong we could be out of this war already. Having strong policies isn't always better. Take a look at what Bush did to middle eastern people, they are very much discriminated against now, just like how blacks, mexicans, and jews were at one point in time. America is brought up on fear and it's now being transferred from one minority to the other.
flamingmonkey923 wrote:
How candidates run their campaign is irrelevant to whether or not they will be a good president. Clinton and Obama both hold almost identical policy positions.
i know not harry potter but its politics and she is the most qualifies canidate and we all know its true and if u dont like, probaly for some reason about her and her husband, maybe u should look at either McCains relationship with Bush or obamas reltionship with rev. wright!!
go hillary!!
Mr. Chosen7one, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent paragraph were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. _________________
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