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PiratePunk
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PostPosted: April 16, 2008 1:16 am    Post subject: Slytherins Reply with quote

Anyone...who felt angry towards the Slytherins in OotP? They are very annoying like singing the "Weasley is our King", and that Draco taking points on other houses,very irresponsibly. I felt anger towards the Slytherins in that book and most especially to Pansy. Fire
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PostPosted: April 16, 2008 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I felt annoyed by the Slytherins throughout the series in general.
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PostPosted: April 16, 2008 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Weasley is our king was so annoying until the Gryffindor's re-did it so it was a good version ! They did so much that bugged me throughout the books and I agree, Pansy was a big problem with the bugging, I never like her.
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PostPosted: April 16, 2008 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I felt annoyed by the Slytherins throughout the series in general.


lol i agree! Razz

but i so HATED them for singing that to ron! Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: April 17, 2008 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, that Parkinson girl. Though I slightly don't like Hermione, I side with her. She sthinks she's top of everything that Pansy. Crazy.
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PostPosted: April 18, 2008 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes the Slytherins annoyed me in every book... but they annoyed me most in OOTP... Being Umbridges "hit squad" as i call them and bagging Ron at the quidditch game
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PostPosted: May 4, 2008 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well considering that Harry's capture of the Snitch completely nullified the Quaffle game, I hardly think that taunting the Keeper did much good. Slytherin still lost because of the stupid rules of Quidditch. If this were a real-life sport, columnists would have a field day ripping the rules apart. It is unethical to have a team lose a game when they are controlling the play, like Slytherin was in the match in Book 5, just because of one highly disproportionate play. Harry plays a game in which he is the only one who can score the game-winning goal. How convenient. The Chasers and Keepers mean absolutely nothing when you consider this. A quarterback in football may be the most important player on his team, but he still needs his receivers to do anything. The Seeker needs no one but him or herself, to make a play worth 15 times more than a normal scoring play. This is a fundamental flaw and a mockery of real sports.
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PostPosted: May 4, 2008 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ lol you obviously didnt read GoF, or dont remember how the quidditch world cup game ended Razz
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PostPosted: May 4, 2008 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course I read it, and I thought it was completely ridiculous. And I believe JK only did that because she realized the flaw in the game she created and it was too late to rectify it. It was ridiculous, however, because it was a (very rare) example of the one situation in which the Quaffle has any importance: that being, when one team opens up a lead of 15 goals or more. But what is the likelihood of this happening? About as likely as taking a 10-goal lead in hockey? A 60-point lead in American football? A 7-goal lead in soccer/football? The point is there isn't much chance of it. And anyway, Krum could have tracked the Snitch defensively while they were down by 160, just fending off Lynch until his team pulled to within 140. I know Harry said that "he knew they'd never catch up" but I don't think it's too far-fetched that Bulgaria could have notched a couple more markers to pull to within 140 points. Krum could have played defensively against Lynch until Bulgaria managed it, and then, being the more skilled Seeker, could have then caught the Snitch. And if this had happened, Ireland would have lost the World Cup with a 14-goal lead, just because their team representative could not beat out his counterpart in an Easter Egg Hunt. I say that's flawed. I say sports columnists would incessantly criticize the scoring system. But that's just me.
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PostPosted: May 4, 2008 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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^ lol you obviously didnt read GoF, or dont remember how the quidditch world cup game ended Razz


yeah.
And HBP... when all the Chasers had to score teh goals before Ginny could even begin to look for the snitch. If not for their goal-scoring, they wouldn't have been able to win. Most sports are flawed, nothing is perfect. The seeker is important, but a team is only as strong as all their players.
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PostPosted: May 4, 2008 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ yes i remembered that but it is less easy to recall, i thought the world cup was a better example

but see habs4life9? it happens, i doubt jo would've done a game that only the seeker can make the team win is the seeker

what i think that happens is that in professional quidditch the snitch is far harder to catch than in school games, so harry, being exceptional for school standards, sometimes manages to caught it too fast for there to be much games

otherwise, i see quidditch as a very active and fast game in which is very easy to make points fast and if one team (without the seeker) is really better than the other then they are bound to get a big difference after a while so that the snitch wont make any difference
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PostPosted: May 5, 2008 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe so, but still don't you think it's disproportionate to have the Snitch worth 15 times more than a score? No sport should have a play like that. Catching the Snitch is definitely NOT 15 times more difficult than scoring a goal, the Snitch should be worth about 40 points. However good professional Chasers may be I doubt that they frequently take 15-goal leads.
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PostPosted: May 5, 2008 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Maybe so, but still don't you think it's disproportionate to have the Snitch worth 15 times more than a score? No sport should have a play like that. Catching the Snitch is definitely NOT 15 times more difficult than scoring a goal, the Snitch should be worth about 40 points. However good professional Chasers may be I doubt that they frequently take 15-goal leads.


Well, the snitch is worth 150 points as part of tradition since 1269 when 150 galleons were rewarded to the player who caught the snidget.
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PostPosted: May 5, 2008 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

habs4life9 wrote:
Maybe so, but still don't you think it's disproportionate to have the Snitch worth 15 times more than a score? No sport should have a play like that. Catching the Snitch is definitely NOT 15 times more difficult than scoring a goal, the Snitch should be worth about 40 points. However good professional Chasers may be I doubt that they frequently take 15-goal leads.


i think catching the snitch sounds quite more difficult than scoring a goal (reason why most of the time there are many many scores before the end of the game) and thats probably why you only get to catch the snitch once per game
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PostPosted: May 5, 2008 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow.... we got off-topic...

I don't hate all the Slytherins.... Slughorn is cool. So is Shewho, hbp, and Katie and a few others. Wink
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PostPosted: May 5, 2008 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well of course when we post HERE we dont mean the ones in the PF but the slythers in the books

slughorn cool? Confused
i would say he's ok, not cool
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PostPosted: May 5, 2008 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bery26 wrote:
well of course when we post HERE we dont mean the ones in the PF but the slythers in the books

slughorn cool? Confused
i would say he's ok, not cool


ooooh, Cool here kinda means ok. Cool can mean someone who's erm... fashionable and hip... and it can also mean alright.
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PostPosted: May 5, 2008 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh sorry, i didnt know Embarassed

lol i did find it sort of weird that u would call him cool in the other meaning Laughing

slughorn is ok and i dont like any of the rest slytherins we know to be honest
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PostPosted: May 5, 2008 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slughorn and Snape were the only good Slytherins in the series, every other Slytherin is pretty much a dickhead. Snape was only good because he loved a Gryffindor, i.e. in spite of his house. And think about this: if every Death Eater came from Slytherin, why don't they disband this house? It's akin to having a Neo-Nazi group in your or your child's school, would you like that? JK made us dislike Slytherins by making all of them (except Snape and Slughorn) act like dicks. There is nothing good to come out of this house, if you look at it realistically, since Snape and Slughorn had to go against their house principles to be good people. Maybe if JK had put some non-Slytherin Death Eaters into the books, I might think that this house is not a cancer to the school, but clearly it is, and why they do not disband Slytherin is beyond me.
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PostPosted: May 5, 2008 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It has historic significance. Salazar Slytherin was one of the Hogwarts founders, you can't just disband the house..
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PostPosted: May 5, 2008 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nagem0 wrote:
It has historic significance. Salazar Slytherin was one of the Hogwarts founders, you can't just disband the house..


Yeah I thought someone would say that. Well, Hitler has historic significance in Germany, does that mean the Nazi party should be kept intact, just to honor him?
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habs4life9 wrote:
nagem0 wrote:
It has historic significance. Salazar Slytherin was one of the Hogwarts founders, you can't just disband the house..


Yeah I thought someone would say that. Well, Hitler has historic significance in Germany, does that mean the Nazi party should be kept intact, just to honor him?


There are Neo-Nazis :\

Besides, where would people who belong in Slytherin House go? Sad It'd be pointless to rename a House if it's going to have the same characteristics.
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PostPosted: May 5, 2008 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Being cunning can easily be fitted into Ravenclaw and self-glorification can be related to Gryffindor. The third Slytherin quality, however, is being pure-blood, which is akin to racist ideology. That is why it should be disbanded, to eliminate using this as grounds to accept students. The solution would be to sort all the Slytherins into the remaining 3 houses, or, if they don't want that, ship them off to Durmstrang.
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PostPosted: May 5, 2008 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

habs4life9 wrote:
Being cunning can easily be fitted into Ravenclaw and self-glorification can be related to Gryffindor. The third Slytherin quality, however, is being pure-blood, which is akin to racist ideology. That is why it should be disbanded, to eliminate using this as grounds to accept students. The solution would be to sort all the Slytherins into the remaining 3 houses, or, if they don't want that, ship them off to Durmstrang.


Severus Snape and Tom Riddle were half-blood Slytherins.

I'm sure the Slytherin House would have less and less pure-blood wizards over the years. To keep the pure-blood lineage, you'd have to marry a distant cousin or something like that, basically..

Also, the Sorting Hat nearly put Harry Potter in Slytherin, and he's a half-blood. There is the argument that the curse on Harry's forehead was an influence on the Sorting Hat, though..
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habs4life9 wrote:
Being cunning can easily be fitted into Ravenclaw and self-glorification can be related to Gryffindor. The third Slytherin quality, however, is being pure-blood, which is akin to racist ideology. That is why it should be disbanded, to eliminate using this as grounds to accept students. The solution would be to sort all the Slytherins into the remaining 3 houses, or, if they don't want that, ship them off to Durmstrang.



You're forgetting the trait of ambition. You can be ambitious and still not value intelligence or bravery or even hard work. Smile You can also value cunning without valuing intelligence. And there is a difference between cunning and witty.
My point is, each House has it's own values and to take one away would be taking away those values.