idk... some people say meat is dirty... well meat isnt as clean as veggies, but that shouldnt stop us from eating it so long as it isnt contaminated
yes i agree that we should stop being so arrogant and think that by genetically modifying organisms we can have so much meat at our disposal that we can afford to waste it. but i still dont think that we should stop eating meat because of animal reasons. people should just learn to stop being so arrogant but not overly concerned about animal rights that we deprive ourselves of meat
well, meat is protein... of course you can get protein from tofu too... but if everyone went scrambling for tofu then tofu would be scarce and people wont get enough protein due to the scarcity and people would then lack protein and be malnourished, and, well, go bald.... idk... scratch that out if you wish.
well some meats are bad for you yes. so eat the good meat. but in general meat is good for you.
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yes but what about the effects of not eating meat? im too lazy to look but there are bad effects. just dont overdo it. follow the food pyramid and have more grains and veggies than meat. of course you're likely to get cancer if you eat a kilo of beef a day, fried.
and there is no need to kill animals inhumanely. there are ways of being humane... people are just too lazy _________________
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I went vegetarian for like, two months last year. It was really hard since I love chicken. I'm glad I went through with it, though. Right now, I'm trying to maintain a kosher diet. _________________
idk... some people say meat is dirty... well meat isnt as clean as veggies, but that shouldnt stop us from eating it so long as it isnt contaminated
yes i agree that we should stop being so arrogant and think that by genetically modifying organisms we can have so much meat at our disposal that we can afford to waste it. but i still dont think that we should stop eating meat because of animal reasons. people should just learn to stop being so arrogant but not overly concerned about animal rights that we deprive ourselves of meat
well, meat is protein... of course you can get protein from tofu too... but if everyone went scrambling for tofu then tofu would be scarce and people wont get enough protein due to the scarcity and people would then lack protein and be malnourished, and, well, go bald.... idk... scratch that out if you wish.
well some meats are bad for you yes. so eat the good meat. but in general meat is good for you.
See, this is exactly what I was talking about. People who eat meat are always assuming that vegetarians are trying to turn meat-eaters into vegetarians.
You said that you don't understand why vegans don't eat meat, and you gave you reasons. I merely gave a rebuttal to those reasons. Everybody isn't going to stop eating meat and reach for the tofu any time soon, so it's safe for vegetarians and vegans to not eat meat. We don't see it as depriving ourselves of meat. Most of us never really liked meat to begin with. _________________
well what i meant was that there are reasons why people eat meat, but i personally find those reasons a bit silly, which is why i dont understand why they do it anyway. _________________
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well what i meant was that there are reasons why people eat meat, but i personally find those reasons a bit silly, which is why i dont understand why they do it anyway.
You said that you agreed that people are too arrogant about animals! That's why many of us don't eat meat! Some don't do it for health reason, and those ones stick to strick, and excellent, diets. _________________
yes people are arrogant but thats not enough reason (for me) to stop eating meat. in the first place many people eat too much meat. lessen meat intake. that way there will be less need for GMOs. too much or too little of something is bad. i believe. _________________
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I agree with the arrogance thing too, and the way that some meat processing places/slaughterhouses treat the animals. But not everyone is going to stop eating meat because of it, so the few people who choose not to aren't helping to stop it. I think there needs to be pressure from both sides - vegetarians and people who eat meat (and care about the issue), to put a stop to the more 'dubious' meat producing practices. So I guess my only issue is when people reach fanatical levels and want to denounce all meat-eating, no matter what. Not every meat producing facility is bad, some are clean and humane, so making a sweeping generalization that ALL eating of meat is bad tends to make others overlook the issue entirely. Other than that, if someone doesn't want to eat meat that's fine.
And some people don't eat meat for other reasons. Some are allergic or have some other health related reason. Some people are squeamish and got turned off after seeing it prepared. Some people just don't like it, so they don't eat it. (I don't like brussels sprouts, so I don't eat them). Though you do have to make additional effort to be sure you get all that "meat stuff" from other sources. I have seen vegans/vegetarians who apparently didn't know how to manage a diet and really did look malnourished. _________________ I don't have a lot of experience with vampires, but I have hunted werewolves. I shot one once. But by the time I got to it, it had turned back into my neighbor's dog. ~ Dwight Schrute
well the allergy reason is the only thing that makes sense to me. i suppose some feel squeamish when seeing meat being prepared though it still puzzles me. _________________
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Yeah, it doesn't bother me at all, I've just heard someone give that as a reason. She apparently didn't like the sight of blood and made the mistake of watching someone prepare some beef one day. After seeing the blood she just didn't want to eat meat anymore. _________________ I don't have a lot of experience with vampires, but I have hunted werewolves. I shot one once. But by the time I got to it, it had turned back into my neighbor's dog. ~ Dwight Schrute
i can imagine. well maybe if you fed me dogstew made from my pets' flesh then i couldnt eat it... ill probly mourn... _________________
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I agree with the arrogance thing too, and the way that some meat processing places/slaughterhouses treat the animals. But not everyone is going to stop eating meat because of it, so the few people who choose not to aren't helping to stop it. I think there needs to be pressure from both sides - vegetarians and people who eat meat (and care about the issue), to put a stop to the more 'dubious' meat producing practices. So I guess my only issue is when people reach fanatical levels and want to denounce all meat-eating, no matter what. Not every meat producing facility is bad, some are clean and humane, so making a sweeping generalization that ALL eating of meat is bad tends to make others overlook the issue entirely. Other than that, if someone doesn't want to eat meat that's fine.
Not eating meat isn't going to stop it, and I know that. I sleep better at night not feeding into that industry myself, though.
The people who denounce eating meat altogether are extreme. They are also few and far between. Whenever people find out that I'm a vegetarian, they treat me as if I'm one of those people. Tha's not fair to me, and it's frusterating. _________________
Have you ever heard any of the allegations against KFC? I've heard a lot of cruelty charges against them but I'm not sure how valid the claims are. (I don't eat there to begin with, but I've been curious) _________________ I don't have a lot of experience with vampires, but I have hunted werewolves. I shot one once. But by the time I got to it, it had turned back into my neighbor's dog. ~ Dwight Schrute
Have you ever heard any of the allegations against KFC? I've heard a lot of cruelty charges against them but I'm not sure how valid the claims are. (I don't eat there to begin with, but I've been curious)
PETA workers went undercover and discovered that KFC suppliers cram birds into huge waste-filled factories, breed and drug them to grow so large that they can’t even walk, and often break their wings and legs. At slaughter, the birds’ throats are slit and they are dropped into tanks of scalding-hot water—often while they are still conscious. It would be illegal for KFC to abuse dogs, cats, pigs, or cows in these ways.
KFC’s own animal welfare advisors have asked the company to take steps to eliminate these abuses, but KFC refuses to do so. Many advisors have now resigned in frustration.
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Have you ever heard any of the allegations against KFC? I've heard a lot of cruelty charges against them but I'm not sure how valid the claims are. (I don't eat there to begin with, but I've been curious)
PETA workers went undercover and discovered that KFC suppliers cram birds into huge waste-filled factories, breed and drug them to grow so large that they can’t even walk, and often break their wings and legs. At slaughter, the birds’ throats are slit and they are dropped into tanks of scalding-hot water—often while they are still conscious. It would be illegal for KFC to abuse dogs, cats, pigs, or cows in these ways.
KFC’s own animal welfare advisors have asked the company to take steps to eliminate these abuses, but KFC refuses to do so. Many advisors have now resigned in frustration.
- PETA
Well, I don't believe half of what PETA claims. I think that the original premise of the organization was noble, but it tends to be extreme and make up things. _________________
That was my problem with the KFC issue, I couldn't find much outside of PETA sources. I guess, on some level, their heart's in the right place but they go to such extremes that it clouds any legitimate work being done.
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I never understood why it's okay to eat a cow, but not a dog.
Depends on the culture you're approaching it from, I think. I've heard it suggested that possibly humans first domesticated dogs partly for food (live meat stays fresher longer - their 'meat' travelled with them).
If you go by a kosher idea of things, as far as mammals go you are only to eat animals that have cloven hooves and chew their cud - so, no dogs.
I know of someone who served his cat cooked over rice after it was hit by a car, so I guess it depends a lot on the person and the culture. _________________ I don't have a lot of experience with vampires, but I have hunted werewolves. I shot one once. But by the time I got to it, it had turned back into my neighbor's dog. ~ Dwight Schrute
mr slave: hahaha... come here, and people eat dogs...
well not everyone though. only reason why i wont eat those dogs i mentioned is because i was referring to my pets... its like eating your children.
bianca st claire and icesk8rqueen: nice, i just ate in kfc awhile ago...
well then thats bad... i disagree with that.
zen: so you eat vegetables mainly, but you dont reject meat alltogether? or are you an ovovegetarian? _________________
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That was my problem with the KFC issue, I couldn't find much outside of PETA sources.
I didn't hear that story... I did hear they put harmones and other gunk into their chicken's though. Again, I didn't find enough sources to back that rumour up, though. I hope it's not true.
As far as the whole thing about why we don't eat dogs... it's a cultural thing. Our culture tends to not eat domesticated animals that serve as pets, like cats and dogs. But other cultures... they eat 'em, along with scorpions, squirrels, and reindeer. A lot of it does have to do with preference, also.
hbp, my friend saw a pig being roasted at a luau-style party and she didn't eat ham for 7 years. _________________
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That was my problem with the KFC issue, I couldn't find much outside of PETA sources.
I didn't hear that story... I did hear they put harmones and other gunk into their chicken's though. Again, I didn't find enough sources to back that rumour up, though. I hope it's not true.
As far as the whole thing about why we don't eat dogs... it's a cultural thing. Our culture tends to not eat domesticated animals that serve as pets, like cats and dogs. But other cultures... they eat 'em, along with scorpions, squirrels, and reindeer. A lot of it does have to do with preference, also.
hbp, my friend saw a pig being roasted at a luau-style party and she didn't eat ham for 7 years.
I remember my history teacher telling me when we first settled down in New York people use to hunt and eat Pigeons. (haha, Imagine eating one now, there so dirty...) _________________ Join Reality Of It All!!!
mr slave: hahaha... come here, and people eat dogs...
well not everyone though. only reason why i wont eat those dogs i mentioned is because i was referring to my pets... its like eating your children.
bianca st claire and icesk8rqueen: nice, i just ate in kfc awhile ago...
well then thats bad... i disagree with that.
zen: so you eat vegetables mainly, but you dont reject meat alltogether? or are you an ovovegetarian?
I don't eat meat at all, but I eat dairy products. I'm a pure vegetarion.
What I said earlier is that I don't denounce eating meat altogether. What I meant by that is that I don't try to stop the world from consuming meat merely because I t hink that it seems unethical to slaughter animals as we do in our society.
Don't get me wrong, it's not the slaughtering and consuming of animals that I dislike. That bit is natural. It's merely the way that is has become a huge industry there days. There is a fine line between nature and utter arrogance towards nature, and humans crossed that line a long time ago. _________________
I remember my history teacher telling me when we first settled down in New York people use to hunt and eat Pigeons. (haha, Imagine eating one now, there so dirty...)
I was watching a show and they were talking abotu eating pigeon as if it was a delicacy... I was like, obviously they are not New Yorkers... _________________
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so I guess it depends a lot on the person and the culture.