I've actually spoken to a vegetarian on-line once and asked why they chose not to eat meat. They had responded "because we don't like killing animals. We eat and drink what the earth gives us." I didn't question there belief anymore after that but I thought about it. I feel like that answer was very hypocritical because plants too are living things. They don't want to kill to eat yet they still do it in another way ? _________________ Join Reality Of It All!!!
Oooooh, my friend always says that. He says that plants are living things, too, so it's hypocritical to use that excuse.
If it's a matter of hurting living things, then I would like to know why people would choose being vegatarian over vegan. I mean, living things are still being consumed, like fish. Are cows more important than fish? Also, what about other products, such as cheese? Reports say that cows are harmed while being milked, so is it okay to hurt them as long as they aren't being murdered? Or do you just go with the organic versions of these foods? I was just wondering what the decision process is like. _________________ Breathing is optional. Look, Bella, look.
I eat all food, although i have nothing against vegetarians, it makes sense what you are saying DM. I believe in killing an animal and using all of it, not killing it and saying "here is the meat and throw away the rest", this is waisting what was given to us.
Same thing with plants, use all of it for something, does not have to be eaten. If you asked native Americans and other cultures, they would tell you other uses of animals/plants they kill. _________________
Alfred: Why do we fall? So we can learn to pick ourselves up.
I eat all food, although i have nothing against vegetarians, it makes sense what you are saying DM. I believe in killing an animal and using all of it, not killing it and saying "here is the meat and throw away the rest", this is waisting what was given to us.
Same thing with plants, use all of it for something, does not have to be eaten. If you asked native Americans and other cultures, they would tell you other uses of animals/plants they kill.
Yeah, I believe that as well. I remember learning about the Native Americans . They never wasted anything and made sure to be thankful for the food they had. _________________ Join Reality Of It All!!!
I eat all food, although i have nothing against vegetarians, it makes sense what you are saying DM. I believe in killing an animal and using all of it, not killing it and saying "here is the meat and throw away the rest", this is waisting what was given to us.
Same thing with plants, use all of it for something, does not have to be eaten. If you asked native Americans and other cultures, they would tell you other uses of animals/plants they kill.
Yeah, I believe that as well. I remember learning about the Native Americans . They never wasted anything and made sure to be thankful for the food they had.
I agree with that, as well. They respected the food they had and appreciated it. _________________ Breathing is optional. Look, Bella, look.
I'm a pure vegetarian. I eat no meat, fish, or poultry. I do eat milk products, though.
Thre reason that I don't eat meat is that I don't appreciate how people have come to view animals and how wasteful they have become with animal life. I would love to be a vegan, but I just don't have the will-power for that. I don't have a problem with the fact that people eat meat. That's their choices. For some reason, though, people take serious issue with the fact that I don't eat meat. I've had people get really offended by it. The weird thing is that I won't say a word about my feelings on people who eat meat, and they will sit there defending meat as if I started some heated debate about how barbaric it is. It's quite funny, actually.
The truth is that I never really liked meat to begin with. When I learned where it came from as a child, I was rather turned off by it. Then I saw a cow slaughtered when I was 12, and I stopped eating it all together.
Now, as far as the "plants are alive, too" arguement goes -- seriously, that is the most ridiculous arguement I have ever heard. I've heard it many times. There is obviously a distinct difference between plants and animals. Plant don't have brains or nervous systems. They are not loyal or friendly like animals. The fruit of plants dies every year and is reborn again for us to eat. Once a cow is dead, it's dead. It just doesn't seem right to me to have all of these cows slaughtered merely for the comfort of some selfish human beings who are going to throw half of their burgers away. _________________
Last edited by zengrenouille on April 15, 2008 5:30 pm; edited 1 time in total
yeah like I hate hunting for sport, but if you actually use as much of the animal as you can, more power to ya.
killing animals for survival is fine. I have no problem with that, and I would probably eat meat if our society still killed animals solely for survival. The problem is that it has become an issue of killing these animals merely for creature comforts, and that is just wrong. _________________
but yeah a lot of times the way its gone about could be better. but like ginnyx said, going organic/humane seems better than vegetarian. well if you like veggies a lot then I guess it doesn't matter lol. but isn't organic usually more expensive? _________________
but yeah a lot of times the way its gone about could be better. but like ginnyx said, going organic/humane seems better than vegetarian. well if you like veggies a lot then I guess it doesn't matter lol. but isn't organic usually more expensive?
We do need food to survive, but all of the hamburgers being thrown away daily goes way beyond survival. It's a creature comfort, now. I just can't bring myself to be a part of that.
I agree that going organis/human is a lot better. It's not fair to pump these animals full of hormones just to fatten them up. It's inhumane and unhealthy to them as well as to the people who are eating the meat provided by these animals. It is really expensive, though. _________________
Now, as far as the "plants are alive, too" arguement goes -- seriously, that is the most ridiculous arguement I have ever heard. I've heard it many times. There is obviously a distinct difference between plants and animals. Plant don't have brains or nervous systems. They are not loyal or friendly like animals. The fruit of plants dies every year and is reborn again for us to eat. Once a cow is dead, it's dead. It just doesn't seem right to me to have all of these cows slaughtered merely for the comfort of some selfish human beings who are going to throw half of their burgers away.
What about animals that aren't friendly or loyal? _________________ Breathing is optional. Look, Bella, look.
Now, as far as the "plants are alive, too" arguement goes -- seriously, that is the most ridiculous arguement I have ever heard. I've heard it many times. There is obviously a distinct difference between plants and animals. Plant don't have brains or nervous systems. They are not loyal or friendly like animals. The fruit of plants dies every year and is reborn again for us to eat. Once a cow is dead, it's dead. It just doesn't seem right to me to have all of these cows slaughtered merely for the comfort of some selfish human beings who are going to throw half of their burgers away.
What about animals that aren't friendly or loyal?
lol, they still have distinct personalities and thought processes. They ahve brains, which very much sets them apart from plants as far as I'm concerned. I don't believe in souls, so I feel that our personalities dictated solely by our brains. _________________
the waste is absurd but we should be feeding our hungry with it... mcdonalds wastes soooooo much food and can daily donate it to shelters. but they dont. _________________
Now, as far as the "plants are alive, too" arguement goes -- seriously, that is the most ridiculous arguement I have ever heard. I've heard it many times. There is obviously a distinct difference between plants and animals. Plant don't have brains or nervous systems. They are not loyal or friendly like animals. The fruit of plants dies every year and is reborn again for us to eat. Once a cow is dead, it's dead. It just doesn't seem right to me to have all of these cows slaughtered merely for the comfort of some selfish human beings who are going to throw half of their burgers away.
I want to start off by saying I have nothing against vegetarians and I was actually looking forward to trying it. As for the plants are living thing...
I was pointing out the hypocrisy in the "Killing part" because obviously killing animals to consume as food is a way of life, just like digging up potatoes or carrots to eat. I was just thinking that "Killing" couldn't be the only reason you wouldn't want to eat meat because you would be doing the same to a vegetable. Now, If the person I spoke to had said something about the way they were killed is the reason why they don't eat meat that can be understandable. I know chickens and other animal are treated like products and I have seen Videos but not some of the really bad ones my friends were talking about. I do try and discuss this with family but I to get the same responses like "Do you like chicken?" I say yes and then I'm told to shut up so I see where your coming from when you were attacked. I am not a person to waste food and I always get mad when my Girlfriend tries to throw something out, I just wind up taking it and putting it in the fridge. I understand where your coming from that animals are different because they actually have nerves and brains but don't you think a tree is hurt when you rip it's branches or chop it up a bit ? I do... _________________ Join Reality Of It All!!!
i was vegetarian for 3 years, then i gave up because i went on camp, and the food all had meat, and it was really good food . but i also gave up because i decided i should eat meat until i've stopped growing.
anyway as for the whole reasoning behind it what i think is that i just can't stand to eat something that was acutally living, breathing, thinking, fealing. to me, if it felt pain at any point in the preperation for it being eaten, i can't eat it.
yes vegetables are living things but they don't think, and they can't feel pain. also, you don't have to absolutely kill a vegetable to eat it. you only have to eat some of the plant and the rest can go on to keep living and producing food.
i understand the humans are omnivores and that their really supposed to eat meat, but like i said it's just the thought that another living thing had to go through pain for my pleasure. so yeah now i just have to stop growing and i don't have to eat meat any more. _________________
DON'T EAT THE DAISIES
I understand where your coming from that animals are different because they actually have nerves and brains but don't you think a tree is hurt when you rip it's branches or chop it up a bit ? I do...
No, no I don't. I used to be vegan but I'm also anaemic and my doctor strongly recommended I start eating red meat again, and I have been for about a year. Before I became vegan I loved meat but in my mind that in no way justifies hurting or taking the life of something that thinks. Just because they can't talk doesn't mean we should be able to do what we want with them, you could never harm a baby for that reason so why are we allowed to do that to animals? But, to answer your question, plants can't feel, or at least, what it 'feels' translates into nothing because it hasn't got a brain to process it. People don't become vegetarian to stop all meat being sold, it is a personal choice based on what an individual thinks is right or wrong, and in my mind people should have the right to not eat meat without being harassed by meat eaters. _________________
Im not 100% vegetarian, like i may have th occasional bit of ham on some pizza but i feel like a much better person not eating meat.
But I also agree with Emily, in that for us who eat little or no meat should not be bombarded by meat eaters who are somehow trying to convince us to eat the meat. Its our decision and you probably wont change our minds. _________________
"And now look what's become of you! Trying to seduce a vampire"
No one is trying to change anyone's mind. Just trying to understand it better.
I've never tried to change a vegetarian's mind, but I'm always called barbaric for being a meat eater, anyway. _________________ Breathing is optional. Look, Bella, look.
Today, you have organizations fighting for the rights of animals as living, breathing creatures, saying it is wrong to hurt them. It is the natural order.
Whether you believe in humans as animals on the food chain, or a separate entity entirely, if you try to take away from a human the right to eat meat, you are in essence trying to take the right away from other animals.
They speak of pain when they are slaughtered, but is there no pain on the plains of Africa, where a pride of lionesses will attack and tear into an antelope?
The argument that it's wrong to hurt animals (EAT VEGGIES!) is a bit bland for me, because history has forever been about us eating animals, even if you look to the bible.
Now, I'm not trying to change the minds of people; this is my opinion on the matter of excuses; I have vegetarian friends of my own, and I respect their wishes to not be forced, and they respect the fact that I eat meat.
On the same subject, a part that plays into it is that most animals have no real conscious about the killing of other animals, whereas for humans to taking a life has a huge psychological influence... sooo...
I love eating, I try to eat everything set before me every day when I sit down to breakfast, lunch, or dinner. If I'm full, I stuff my stomach until it's all gone. I hate wasting food, and it shames me to see dumpsters int he city full of half-eaten burgers or hotdogs and I'm thinking, "If you're not going to eat it all.. why did you order the food?" _________________ My Dragon Scroll
Rules
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Usergroups
Register
Profile
Log in
. but i also gave up because i decided i should eat meat until i've stopped growing.
