I don't think Snape was a "kid" when he joined the death eaters. He was of age and smart enough to make his own decisions. I don't think it was his age that made the wrong dissensions but his greed and immaturity.
i totally agree, it was a terrible decision he made, not a stupid one, he was really a bad person (in most respects at least) and im sure he knew exactly what he was getting into
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As to still hating James after he died? Some people hold grudges like mad. (I'm one of them - I still remember and am angry about slights from people who have since passed away). Is it healthy? No. Some people just aren't good at letting things go.
well im sorry to inform you that carrying such a grudge is also a terrible desition and shows lack of maturity and ability to forgive, it does awful things to one's soul, peace of mind and happiness and i think its a quite bad trait to have
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Maybe not a 'kid' by some definitions, but he was young. He was already moving in those circles while a teenager, I don't know what age he officially became a Death Eater.
he was young but he was of age and old enough to perfectly recognize good from evil, and he chose evil
he joined a terrorist society, you cant justificate that cause he was young, and thats not merely making a bad desicion, its joining a society that kills innocents, i dont think i care much for the fact that he was young, he was still a bad person _________________
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he joined a terrorist society, you cant justificate that cause he was young, and thats not merely making a bad desicion, its joining a society that kills innocents, i dont think i care much for the fact that he was young, he was still a bad person
Well, define terrorsist society. Because although what they did was awful, to them it was justified. Snape made a bad choice, and probably an ill-informed one, too. We don't know exactly what Snape did while being a DE. Look at Regulus. He thought being a DE was the right thing nd the best thing. When he saw what it really meant, he wanted out. Snape wanted out, too, when he saw Lily was in danger. _________________ Breathing is optional.
he joined a terrorist society, you cant justificate that cause he was young, and thats not merely making a bad desicion, its joining a society that kills innocents, i dont think i care much for the fact that he was young, he was still a bad person
Well, define terrorsist society. Because although what they did was awful, to them it was justified. Snape made a bad choice, and probably an ill-informed one, too. We don't know exactly what Snape did while being a DE. Look at Regulus. He thought being a DE was the right thing nd the best thing. When he saw what it really meant, he wanted out. Snape wanted out, too, when he saw Lily was in danger.
Yes he only wanted out because Lily was in danger, not because he felt the death eaters were wrong. He agreed with the views of most of the death eaters in the clan. _________________ Join Reality Of It All!!!
Well, define terrorsist society. Because although what they did was awful, to them it was justified.
wha? are you serious?! Osama bin Laden thinks he's right so to him it was justified, then that doesnt make him a terrorist?
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Snape made a bad choice, and probably an ill-informed one, too. We don't know exactly what Snape did while being a DE
we practically know that snape didnt kill anyone because of his memories in DH how he didnt want to damage his soul, at least thats what i think
but do u really think snape was clueless? that he didnt know the number of innocent ppl that were dying for the cause he was defending? and when did he leave it? only when someone he loved was in danger
yeah, that is better than being voldy and not caring about anyone at all, but in my book, thats still action of a bad person
i can only start to justificate him after he spies for the couple of years in the second war
and we know little and nothing about regulus so i couldnt say what was goi ng through his mind at the moment he took the horcrux _________________
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wha? are you serious?! Osama bin Laden thinks he's right so to him it was justified, then that doesnt make him a terrorist?
To them, the US are the terrorists. It's all a matter of perspective.
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we practically know that snape didnt kill anyone because of his memories in DH how he didnt want to damage his soul, at least thats what i think
We only saw the memories that Snape showed to Harry. I'm not saying Snape killed a bunch of people, but there are other horrible things you can do to people that don't result in death. Just look at Neville's parents.
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but do u really think snape was clueless? that he didnt know the number of innocent ppl that were dying for the cause he was defending? and when did he leave it? only when someone he loved was in danger
Exactly. I don't think he was clueless. And he only left when Lily was in danger.
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and we know little and nothing about regulus so i couldnt say what was goi ng through his mind at the moment he took the horcrux
We know he had a change of heart and that he wanted to destroy the Horcrux, therefore destroy Voldemort. _________________ Breathing is optional.
To them, the US are the terrorists. It's all a matter of perspective.
no, its not all a matter of perspective and you know it, there are things that are just plain wrong, such as taking innocent lives
do the DE seem anything like innocent to you when they speak? do they sound to you like they have much moral? dont they sound just like sadists?
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We only saw the memories that Snape showed to Harry. I'm not saying Snape killed a bunch of people, but there are other horrible things you can do to people that don't result in death. Just look at Neville's parents.
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Exactly. I don't think he was clueless. And he only left when Lily was in danger.
.............then waht are we arguing here? we're obviously on the same page in this matter lol
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We know he had a change of heart and that he wanted to destroy the Horcrux, therefore destroy Voldemort.
yes, but we have very little info about it, so we dont know what kind of change of heart it was, was it one like draco's change of heart where he found out he couldnt kill? or was it merely that he was disgusted by the horcrux and how voldy had treated his house elf?
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To them, the US are the terrorists. It's all a matter of perspective.
no, its not all a matter of perspective and you know it, there are things that are just plain wrong, such as taking innocent lives
Of course it's wrong to take innocent lives. I'm not saying the Death Eaters are right, I'm saying that in their minds they were right.
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.............then waht are we arguing here? we're obviously on the same page in this matter lol
I don't know.
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We know he had a change of heart and that he wanted to destroy the Horcrux, therefore destroy Voldemort.
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yes, but we have very little info about it, so we dont know what kind of change of heart it was, was it one like draco's change of heart where he found out he couldnt kill? or was it merely that he was disgusted by the horcrux and how voldy had treated his house elf?
i cant really say with so little info
We don't know what caused his change of heart exactly. We know he didn't like the treatment of his elf and we know he didn't approve of the Horcruxes. We don't know much else about it. Sirius also said that he thought Regulus might have had a change of heart, so I wonder what Sirius knew or heard. _________________ Breathing is optional.
Of course it's wrong to take innocent lives. I'm not saying the Death Eaters are right, I'm saying that in their minds they were right.
then again i dont get what we're arguing about!
you dont think they are terrorists because they think they are right? is that what you mean?
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I don't know.
looooool aww i love you gin! ^hugs ginny^
and about regulus, i dont care much really about his character in particular so i havent given much thought to the matter
all i think is that harry must have been a tiny bit glad on sirius behalf that his brother died for a better reason than merely being a coward _________________
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you dont think they are terrorists because they think they are right? is that what you mean?
What I mean is, I think they are terrorists, but they think we're terrorists. I can see their point of view, too. And from their point of view they were justified, just as we think we're justified in doing things we think are right. Both sides use the excuse of "the greater good."
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and about regulus, i dont care much really about his character in particular so i havent given much thought to the matter
all i think is that harry must have been a tiny bit glad on sirius behalf that his brother died for a better reason than merely being a coward
I think it's fascinating that Regulus had a change of heart and his last motion on Earth was to defy Voldemort the best he could. He died a hero to the "good" side, and no one knew it. _________________ Breathing is optional.
What I mean is, I think they are terrorists, but they think we're terrorists
terrorist in my book includes some killing, who is the good side killing?
they just disagree with including muggleborns in the society and letting muggles be free so they start killing, im pretty sure they know this much _________________
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terrorist in my book includes some killing, who is the good side killing?
they just disagree with including muggleborns in the society and letting muggles be free so they start killing, im pretty sure they know this much
Well, Stan Shunpike, for instance. Harry only wanted to disarm. Anything else could have resulted in his death.
But to me terrorism isn't just about killing, it's the whole act of terrorizing someone. What the good side was doing wasn't nearly as bad as what the bad side was doing, but that's our opinion. To the DE's what the good side was doing was worse. _________________ Breathing is optional.
I believe what she's saying is that bad guys don't think they're the bad guys. In the villain's mind he's the good guy and doing the right thing. Those folks didn't become Death Eaters because they wanted to be evil. Many joined because they honestly believed what they were doing was the right thing. That's what makes the bad guys scary.
(My earlier thoughts on Snape were that he probably joined mostly for his own reasons - he liked the idea of the power, but really didn't know completely what he was getting himself into. I'm NOT saying it was justifiable in any way, only that yes - when you are young and haven't seen the extent of how the world works, you can make terrible terrible decisions. Snape joining the DE is, to me, very similar to someone in the real world joining a street gang because they think in some way it will offer power and prestige, without realizing until later the real cost of that decision)
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As to still hating James after he died? Some people hold grudges like mad. (I'm one of them - I still remember and am angry about slights from people who have since passed away). Is it healthy? No. Some people just aren't good at letting things go.
well im sorry to inform you that carrying such a grudge is also a terrible desition and shows lack of maturity and ability to forgive, it does awful things to one's soul, peace of mind and happiness and i think its a quite bad trait to have
Since I just caught this. Yeah, I was just kind of making a passing statement before. But I wasn't defending that attitude and I agree with you whole-heartedly there, Bery. Anytime it pops up it ruins your peace of mind. Bad behavior pattern to get into, really bad. _________________ I don't have a lot of experience with vampires, but I have hunted werewolves. I shot one once. But by the time I got to it, it had turned back into my neighbor's dog. ~ Dwight Schrute
Since I just caught this. Yeah, I was just kind of making a passing statement before. But I wasn't defending that attitude and I agree with you whole-heartedly there, Bery. Anytime it pops up it ruins your peace of mind. Bad behavior pattern to get into, really bad.
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what makes you think so? he rarely chooses whats best for himself
If it's best for himself it doesn't necessarily mean that it's the most wise option for him does it? And for me in the books he always seems to know what to do and at the right time. Maybe thats just me
i know 6 year olds wiser than snape. seriously. he couldnt tell wrong form right and doing whats right is better rather than doing whats easy.only did he relise that AFTER the damage was done. not very wise. and even after he relised what he did wrong he still did bad things. he still bullied and used horrible teaching methods. not very wise.
i think thats one of the many reasons DD was so forgiving to snape, they both did horrible things and didnt realise it till AFTER the damage was done. atleast DD learned from his mistake. snape didnt.... _________________
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lol i wouldnt go as far as to say 6 year old, but seriously, he aint wise at all from where i see it
the fact that he's almost a genius doesnt come hand in hand with wiseness as we well know, he has made pretty bad choices and there are even important things in life that he never learned at all _________________
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Does it strike anyone else that, on some level, he probably doesn't like himself much either? I tend to find that people who are very hard on others are also really hard on themselves.
I think aside from seeing James in Harry, he probably also blames Harry for surviving when Lily died. And probably blames himself for her death too. _________________ I don't have a lot of experience with vampires, but I have hunted werewolves. I shot one once. But by the time I got to it, it had turned back into my neighbor's dog. ~ Dwight Schrute
Does it strike anyone else that, on some level, he probably doesn't like himself much either? I tend to find that people who are very hard on others are also really hard on themselves.
yeah, i think he pretty much dislikes himself at many points and of course he's terribly insecure (probably reason why he always acts so confident and arrogantly)
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I think aside from seeing James in Harry, he probably also blames Harry for surviving when Lily died
of course he does, and thats very wrong of him, he's terribly selfish at doing so
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And probably blames himself for her death too.
oh i have not one bit of doubt that he does, probably part of the reason why he spend the rest of his life fighting for the good side and to protect her son, he was trying as hard as he could to erase all his guilt _________________
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