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Hermione
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PostPosted: September 18, 2005 1:09 pm    Post subject: Who do you think will die in book 7? Reply with quote

I personally think it will be Hagrid, if not one of the weasleys. Snape is a possibility maybe dying fighting for Harry in order to show his true colors. I was reading an interesting theory about the alchemy of the books and it described the "process of the deaths".

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The Rubedo: the Last Stage’s Signs, Characteristics, and Meaning in English Literature



As I wrote earlier, though the Great Work of alchemy is a seven step process largely about the rotation and resolution of the contrary qualities of the four elements, it is frequently described as a three phase work, each of which phase is assigned a color (think beginning-middle-end spread out over seven turnings of a wheel). The first stage is the nigredo or “black” phase in which the leaden material or “lead character” is loosed of all his formal characteristics and reduced by fire into prime matter or his essence. The second stage is the albedo or “white’ phase in which the prime matter recongeals from the shattering and burning and is purified by washings (ablutions) for perfection. The third and last stage is the rubedo or “red” phase in which the philosopher’s stone, blood red, emerges from within the white stone accomplished in the albedo and the work is completed.


When I noticed that we had three characters named for the stages of alchemy - Sirius Black, Albus Dumbledore, and Rubeus Hagrid - and that the Black work seemed (to me!) to have been accomplished in Prisoner and Goblet, I brazenly predicted that Albus Dumbledore would die in the fifth book. I assumed Phoenix would be the albedo, that Albus would die in it, and Harry would have two books in which to lose a few battles to Voldemort and make an astonishing come from behind win in the last book (featuring heroic Hagrid the Red, of course).


So much for predictions made according to formula! Phoenix turned out to be the nigredo climax in which Sirius Black died and Harry was broken down to nothing but the essential prophecy. The book was laden with nigredo imagery from the tradition of literary alchemy which I explained in the chapter on Phoenix in my updated book (see http://www.hogwartsprofessor.com/home.php?page=docs/phoenix). I also made a point of predicting the next book would open in a cold rain and that Dumbledore would certainly die in Half-Blood Prince, which I said would be as “white” and “plegmatic” (cold/wet) as Phoenix had been “black” and “choleric” (hot/dry). Fortunately, Ms. Rowling this time made me look smart, if a few wags were heard to say that a broken clock is right twice a day, too. (For a look at Half-Blood Prince as albedo go to [url]http://www.hogwartsprofessor.com/home.php?page=docs/BaptismIntoDeath&PHPSESSID=eff4a63939dd2476158d52340af83560)[/url]

I’m calling the last book Harry Potter and the Alchemist’s Cell here not only to drive the alchemy theme home but because it is one of the titles copyrighted by Warner Brothers for future movies, computer games, and modular phones. I think this book will be the rubedo of the alchemical work because, well, after a black stage novel and a white stage book, the red stage is all that’s left. What do the various dictionaries and guides to alchemy, literary and traditional, say we can expect from the final stage in this work? The nine I have looked at describe the rubedo as the stage in which:


I also thought this was interesting:
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The One as Sum: The Six Foreshadowed Endings



Each of Harry’s first six years has been a full alchemical cycle in itself as well as a part of the seven stage Great Work. The ending of each book, consequently, should be reflected in the summary ending of the last cycle. Look for an element from each of the last six books in the seventh. Here is a quick list of obvious points from the endings of the six books we have in hand in reverse order:

There will probably be a sacrificial death a la Dumbledore in Half-Blood Prince. My first thought, for reasons of symmetry I’ll explain in a minute, is that it will be Rubeus Hagrid. My gut feeling is that it will be Severus Snape, having been cut down by Peter Pettigrew.


· Look for a secret, too, from the Department of Mysteries (the light behind the door, the Veil, the golden Fountain of Magical Brethren…) and a “Voldemort within Harry” moment from Phoenix. Harry’s only hope, I think, is embracing Voldemort again, literally and figuratively this time, thereby defeating him with love.


· Several books have ended with revelations of hidden identities that we’ve swallowed because of narrative misdirection - Sirius Black in Prisoner, Barty Crouch, Jr., in Goblet - so the end of HP7, let’s call it Alchemist’s Cell, will probably feature the goodness of an apparent bad guy revealed - and the badness of a seeming good guy brought to life. I’m betting on the heroic sacrifices of Severus Snape coming to light (again, I have to assume at his death) and “EVIL Slughorn” being revealed


· Chamber of Secrets ended with a Harry-Tom Riddle subterranean battle and I expect another in the last chapter. Look for it in King’s Cross Station this time, if not “miles beneath Hogwarts,” because of the meaningful name and it being an intersection with the Muggle world. Harry having to rescue the Dursleys? Sounds cathartic to me.

· And, first and last, I expect to see the ending of all the books reflect the beginnings and endings of the first book with (1) a surprising Slytherin defeat caused by the courage of Neville Longbottom in confronting his friends and (2) the helplessness of an infant-like Harry Potter after surviving inexplicably and against all odds a confrontation with the Dark Lord.


I have a gut feeling that Slug is evil. I dont know what it is but maybe it will show a parallel between book 1 and book 7. In book one we thought Quirell was good but he was evil and in book 7 we are made to think that Slug is good but he is truly evil.

Taken from[url]http://www.hogwartsprofessor.com/home.php?page=docs/AlchemicalThoughtsHP7&PHPSESSID=849fd13e5d8dc373b1f0e2627b78c166[/url]
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PostPosted: September 21, 2005 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JKR comes up damn odd twists(the death in HBP Crying or Very sad !), so I really can't guess.
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PostPosted: September 21, 2005 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same here...Not sure if I want to think about it..they just get worse Confused
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PostPosted: September 22, 2005 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe there are going to be multiple deaths and I think there should be. I think there's going to be some major, multi-character free-for-all towards the end of the book. If this occurs then there should be multiple deaths, who they are going to be though is a tough call. Not to brag, but I had a feeling Dumbledore was going to die in the book, but I think trying to call it this time is a lot harder.

If I had to guess, I'd say Voldemort (obviously), Bellatrix, and then some lesser Death Eaters will bite the big one for the bad side. For the good, it's harder, I'd guess a Weasley, at least one more professor, and I hate to say it, but Harry. I'm not entirely convinced of Harry's death, just because it is a book that many children read, so I don't know if JK would do that. I also see many senarios in which Hagrid, Snape, Luna, others could be taken out.
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PostPosted: November 20, 2005 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's really hard to predict deaths. Like Lowry said, J.K comes up with twists. My guess would be Hagrid. I don't know. Maybe Snape.
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PostPosted: November 20, 2005 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If Snape dies im going to be really sad. Sad
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PostPosted: November 20, 2005 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont want Snape to die either but I think he will die saving Harry in some way. Hagrid is a definate possibility, everyone close to Harry seems to snuff it Rolling Eyes . I hope one of the Weasleys dont die, I keep thinking about poor Molly when the boggart showed Ron dead. Does this have some meaning for the end Sad

I hope LV gets it and Bellatrix. Oh and Greyback, he deserves to die.
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PostPosted: November 20, 2005 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Awww I hope that doesn't happen that'd be horrible Sad
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PostPosted: November 21, 2005 1:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with LV, Bellatrix and Greyback needing to die. Maybe, Pettigrew and Snape after they betray LV trying to save Harry. ( Remember that thing about one wizard saving another's life.) Pettrigrew and Snape owe Harry, so I think that will somehow play out in the end. They won't find out Snape is good until the end. Here's a good plot twist for ya: What if Dumbledore really isn't dead (See Dumbledore Returns Posts) DD comes back for the final battle with LV and ends up really dying. Now wouldn't that be something? I really can't bring myself to think of any of the cherished main characters being killed. Hurt yes, killed no. Harry is the hero, the main character in this good versus evil plot. He can't die, then evil wins.
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PostPosted: November 21, 2005 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good twist Pensive, when DD died i thought how is Harry going to beat LV without DD? I thought he was doomed, your theory would be good but even better if he could live past the end. I think im hoping for a miracle there Very Happy

I forgot about Peter P, he has a serious debt to pay to Harry, id like to know what his silver hand has to do with it Wink

And i totally agree Harry cant and shouldnt die, as you said he is the hero, and the heroes hardly ever die - especially in kids books.
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PostPosted: November 21, 2005 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't realy have a guess. Maybe someone that isn't very important like Lucius Malfoy Very Happy
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PostPosted: November 22, 2005 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pensive wrote:
I agree with LV, Bellatrix and Greyback needing to die. Maybe, Pettigrew and Snape after they betray LV trying to save Harry. ( Remember that thing about one wizard saving another's life.) Pettrigrew and Snape owe Harry, so I think that will somehow play out in the end. They won't find out Snape is good until the end. Here's a good plot twist for ya: What if Dumbledore really isn't dead (See Dumbledore Returns Posts) DD comes back for the final battle with LV and ends up really dying. Now wouldn't that be something? I really can't bring myself to think of any of the cherished main characters being killed. Hurt yes, killed no. Harry is the hero, the main character in this good versus evil plot. He can't die, then evil wins.


Well there have been several instances where the Hero dies, just because Harry dies doesn’t mean Evil wins, Harry could die while beating LV, in order for Harry to beat LV he has to give up his life just like his parents had to give up their lives to protect Harry.

Harry dying is very possible, it may anger some fans but they’ll understand eventually. Maybe Harry reuniting with his parents, Sirius, Dumbledore (if he’s dead), and possibly Snape (I have a strong feeling he’s going to die) in heaven. Now that’s not such a sad ending.
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PostPosted: November 24, 2005 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HRH2013 wrote:
I don't realy have a guess. Maybe someone that isn't very important like Lucius Malfoy Very Happy


I’ve always thought Malfoy was somewhat important. He’s appeared in every book so far and had some role to play in each of them. Am I the only one that considered him an important character? I mean his Dad is a Deatheater and his family and Lucius did play a very important role in COS even though he only made a few appearances.
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PostPosted: November 27, 2005 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's right, Malfoy was there from the first book, and he and Harry have always been rivals. Lucius has some part to play in book 7, maybe he'll bust out of Azkaban.
Harry dying is a possibility, but I hope it doesn't happen. And Snape is another candidate.
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PostPosted: November 29, 2005 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ Yeah, I think it's gonna be Hagrid or Snape ( demostrating that he is indeed not evil)
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PostPosted: December 4, 2005 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree. But Hagrid dying will be tragic... Sad
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PostPosted: December 5, 2005 3:56 am    Post subject: death seems to be the latest hp trend Reply with quote

i guess there's a big possibility that it's harry but it could also be snape or malfoy. i don't think that it could be hagrid, he may not even play a major part in book 7 now that harry, ron, and hermione are not going back to hogwarts
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PostPosted: December 7, 2005 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Harry, Ron, and Hermione are not going back to Hogwarts for their seventh year, but I will be very surprised if they don't find themselves there at some point and if they do stop in, Hagrid would definately be one of the individuals they would see. Also, don't forget the Order, I have no doubt that they will become members during Book 7 and when they do they will surely bump into Hagrid at some point.
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PostPosted: December 7, 2005 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok I think that more than one person will die.
I think LV will be killed by harry
I think Draco will be killed by LV because he didn't kill DD, Snape did.
In every single book Harry has never trusted snape and that won't change and now that he has killed DD, I think harry might kill or hurt snape really badly!
Then of course there is Percy.
I hope he dies because he is such a twit!
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PostPosted: December 7, 2005 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mrs Hermione Weasley wrote:
Ok I think that more than one person will die.
I think LV will be killed by harry
I think Draco will be killed by LV because he didn't kill DD, Snape did.
In every single book Harry has never trusted snape and that won't change and now that he has killed DD, I think harry might kill or hurt snape really badly!
Then of course there is Percy.
I hope he dies because he is such a twit!


I don’t think Percy will die and I get the feeling Snape is going to sacrifice himself in some way to help Harry. Harry dying is very possible but at the same time it seems too obvious. I’m guessing Hagrid is going to do something suicidal, something bad is going to happen to Hermione and that’s when Ron tells her how he really feels.
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PostPosted: December 12, 2005 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't care who dies. I would laugh if Harry did because that would be stupid.
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PostPosted: December 18, 2005 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well it is the final battle, and it will be huge and im betting a lot of people will die. Probably one Weasley, LV, a few random death eaters (Including Bella) and possibly Harry. But Harry wouldnt die by someoene elses spell, he would ahve to sacrifice himself to desroy LV, or on the other hand, on of the trio (or someone close to Harry) will sacrifice themselves so Harry can defeat LV.
As for Snape, it all depends on if he is innocent or not. But if someone kills him, it will be Hary (if Snapes on Voldie's side) or Voldemort (If hes on Harrys side)
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PostPosted: December 18, 2005 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I personally believe that Harry and Ron will both die in the seventh book. I believe that Harry will die, because he is either a horxcux or he has to use to much magic to kill Voldemort. It just makes the most sense. J.K. Rowling said mutiple times that there will be no need for a sequel. It makes the most sense if that means Harry is killed. I believe Ron will die, because of certain foreshadowing in Cos after the portion in the woods. It is also supported that both Ron and Harry will be killed, because I believe in the third book they were the first two to rise after 13 dined. It is also a foreshadowing of death.
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PostPosted: December 19, 2005 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not a bad theory, but..........I don't know!
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