Hey everyone. I know many of us may have friends, family, or are otherwise deeply concerned about the disaster in Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama right now. This thread is for you to discuss those concerns, exchange information, and vent at the media, lol. Well, the later is what I want to do.
You'll notice in the media that white victims are "looking for food" and black ones are "looting". Absolutely despicable. I plan on writing to every involved news group I can and complaining. We can't let the media continue to demonize african-americans, especially in a time of such dire crisis. _________________ "For too long we have been taught to praise the wrong heroes, thieves planting flags and murderers carrying crosses. Let us at last praise the colonizers of dreams." ~ Peter S. Beagle
Oh yeah i already read this in another site and what i remember they already apologized and it had something to do with translating the news or something like that but apparently it has already been taken care of( I think it was in yahoo news where the apology was posted but im not quite sure) when i saw it i got really mad too! its horrible but that how media is. They have a thing agaisnt African-A and Minorities look at the Natalee Holloway case i wonder if she were african american or part of a minority she would be recieving the same kind of attention. Anyways lol srry for my rant.
Our thoughts go to the families, and to all of those who lost their lives.
Did you hear about a guy who wanted his town to secede from the states?
A lot of the posts weren't just yahoo. It's in the Associated Press, CBS, and countless others both on the web and on TV. Shame on thoes stereotyping medialites. _________________ "For too long we have been taught to praise the wrong heroes, thieves planting flags and murderers carrying crosses. Let us at last praise the colonizers of dreams." ~ Peter S. Beagle
Yeah I agree! Did you see when Kanye West said that Bush didnt care about blacks, and he also mentioned this. He was taken off the air right after he said that about bush and they took his segment out completely from the rebroadcast in the west. _________________
Yes, Hermione, and it's ludicrous! I can understand them removing material that contains swearing or is pornographic in nature, but this is infringing on free speech. I don't like the way people have been treated in this country whenever they badmouth the president. It doesn't exactly "ring" with freedom, does it? _________________ "For too long we have been taught to praise the wrong heroes, thieves planting flags and murderers carrying crosses. Let us at last praise the colonizers of dreams." ~ Peter S. Beagle
Exactly! I agree completely. There has been a lot of controversy regarding Katrina and racism and it grows everyday! I think it was wolf blitzer from cnn that said something along the lines of "those poor blacks" let me see if I get the link. Its just horrible.
I sorry, but I totally disagree with you about the racism issue.
First, all people who took things without paying for them, were by definition, looting. Unfortunately, most of them were black. There was a lot of televsion coverage and most of those people taking things other than water, food, and baby supplies were black. I was purposely looking for coverage of other folks. Some stupid people suggested that it was okay for them to take things like televisions, clothes, etc. it wasn't. When I watched the coverage, the station I watched differentiated between those that were taking basic supplies and those that were LOOTING!. It was felt by many people that these people purposely stayed behind for just this purpose.
Secondly, many black leaders and entertainers are using defamatory language. There view's are so schewed, they've played the victim for so long now, that if anything goes wrong with a black person they automatically and fanatically think of some conspiratorial racism. When anyone goes on TV, or any other media and makes derogatory statements they are commiting libel or slander. Yes, we have the right to speak, in fact it is our responsibility to question our leaders. But the Right to Speak ie the 1st amendment is balanced by using it responsibly. The certain entertainer you spoke of was commiting slander or libel an he and any media outlet that carried his remarks were opening themselves up for a huge lawsuit! THAT IS WHY IT WAS PULLED FROM THE AIR! You all need to bone up on the Bill of Rights! Stop being so sensitive, do you realize how many other minority groups or groups in particular are portrayed badly. Get over it all ready. If blacks as a group don't want to be portrayed in a certain way, why don't you as a race change? _________________ You're just jealous cause the voices only talk to me!
First, all people who took things without paying for them, were by definition, looting.
I agree. But then why was it called looting when black people were stealing while in the picture with the white folks(carrying looted items) they said that they had just merely found them? It is racism.
Unfortunately, most of them were black. There was a lot of televsion coverage and most of those people taking things other than water, food, and baby supplies were black.
Unfortunately?? Why unfortunately? Of course the only people taking things other than water,foods and baby supplies were black! I mean if you look at New Orleans the main population is black, and poor. You dont see white people looting because I bet they had the means to get out of New Orleans and also the white population in New Orleans in outnumbered so in media coverage you rarely will see white people. But like in the pictures( which was the main focus of this thread) you can see that the people still hold a racist view. Are you justifing this act by saying that the only people who looted were black? I think the black community has every right to express outrage by those pictures.
I watched differentiated between those that were taking basic supplies and those that were LOOTING!. It was felt by many people that these people purposely stayed behind for just this purpose.
Did they have anywhere else to go? Did they have the means($$$) to do so? I think it would be pretty understandable for looting to happen after Katrina. I just was chaos. If the goverment had taken the proper action maybe it wouldnt have been like it was.
Secondly, many black leaders and entertainers are using defamatory language. There view's are so schewed, they've played the victim for so long now, that if anything goes wrong with a black person they automatically and fanatically think of some conspiratorial racism.
This defamatory language you say is a result of something that is very real but as I can see some people dont really want to open their eyes as to what is really happening. What Kanye West did is admirable. He has the right to say whatever he wants to say. He made a point which deserved to be made. Im not gonna get into the they've played the victim for so long because I think it is extremely racist. Both races have been playing the victim game for quite a while now. Just watch the whole history of america segment in Bowling For Columbine to see what I mean.
The certain entertainer you spoke of was commiting slander or libel an he and any media outlet that carried his remarks were opening themselves up for a huge lawsuit! THAT IS WHY IT WAS PULLED FROM THE AIR! You all need to bone up on the Bill of Rights!
LOL. OK. I think the huge corporations can handle a lawsuit. Im not worried about them. Im worried about the people who have lost everything to Katrina and who are victims of racism. (Im sorry but im an ardent socialist)
Stop being so sensitive, do you realize how many other minority groups or groups in particular are portrayed badly
While you proclame that we have the right to speak what ever we want, you are ordering us to stop being so sensitive. I love that song from Team America World Police that says....Freedom isnt free Yes. I think we all realize how other minority groups are portrayed badly but this thread is about black racism. Not about other minorities. I belong to another minority that in the US is in the same level as black ( in terms to racism) I mean I know people who in Ohio were beaten because they were part of this minority but im not talking about them because Katrina involved the black minority.
Get over it all ready. If blacks as a group don't want to be portrayed in a certain way, why don't you as a race change?
Now that's extremely racist my friend. _________________
First, all people who took things without paying for them, were by definition, looting.
Absolutely they were, and looting televisions and jewelry is ridiculous and should be punished. BUT, if you look at the pics above, both of them were taking food stuffs, but the media automatically labeled the black person as "looting" and the white as "looking for food." There is an automatic assumption that the black people are up to no good.
coverage of other folks
Well, hon, most of New Orleans is black, and most of the whites are well off enough to afford cars. Most of those poor blacks rely on public transportation to get them to and from work, let alone out of town. Where were they to go?
Secondly, many black leaders and entertainers are using defamatory language.
Have you ever watched the O'Reilly factor? How about Crossfire? Those are shows full of white people using defamatory language. Everyone has the right to be angry on behalf of their cause or beliefs.
makes derogatory statements they are commiting libel or slander
Actually, that is incorrect. Libel is in print. Slander is spoken, like on TV. Libel and slander only exist if the derogatory comments are falsehoods. Anger and speculation about our political figures' actions are NOT slander. Had these "black leaders" said that Bush wears a skirt and humps poodles, THAT would be slander ( I hope.) But saying that his administration responded poorly to the needs of impoverished blacks is a political speculation and not at all slanderous.
Stop being so sensitive, do you realize how many other minority groups or groups in particular are portrayed badly
Absolutely. But the fact that many people suffer from ignorance and hatred does not mean that we ignore it. We need to grab these issues by the horns as they arise and respond with anger and outrage so that the media and the government improve. This is how society makes progress. If someone told women to quit sniveling about not being able to vote because minorities can't vote either, where would we be today?
If blacks as a group don't want to be portrayed in a certain way, why don't you as a race change?
Are you white? Are you therefor a bible-thumping, beer drinking, wife beating, Nascar and Wrestling watching redneck? I highly doubt it. That is called a stereotype, and it's dangerous. I can't believe anybody in this day and age still thinks that ALL blacks are responsible for their negative stereotype. I manage a nursing facility. Wanna know who my BEST employees are? I will tell you that the african-american nurses, both men and women, working under me are far more nurturing, supportive, concientious and reliable than most of the caucasion ones. Isn't that interesting? _________________ "For too long we have been taught to praise the wrong heroes, thieves planting flags and murderers carrying crosses. Let us at last praise the colonizers of dreams." ~ Peter S. Beagle
Absolutely. But the fact that many people suffer from ignorance and hatred does not mean that we ignore it. We need to grab these issues by the horns as they arise and respond with anger and outrage so that the media and the government improve. This is how society makes progress. If someone told women to quit sniveling about not being able to vote because minorities can't vote either, where would we be today?
^ I agree completely. Major changes come from minorities(I mean there are people who want to keep the status quo but they eventually have to change...we all have to realize that the only inmutable thing about society and life itself is that it is *mutable* IMAO). I mean look at the american revolution( you can add all the independence movements here) it was started by a few people that had different ideas and look to the place it took us...
Have you ever watched the O'Reilly factor? How about Crossfire?
LOL O'Reilly( well he was having some fun with his assistant) I just hate his show ( or anything else in FOXnews). Was Crossfire the one with the guy and his bow tie? That was funny. It was cancelled because of the whole Jon Stewart fiasco. *I love Jon Stewart* *drools*.....( America:The book is great!)
I manage a nursing facility. Wanna know who my BEST employees are? I will tell you that the african-american nurses, both men and women, working under me are far more nurturing, supportive, concientious and reliable than most of the caucasion ones. Isn't that interesting?
Very interesting. I hate that people still think that the caucasian race is superior. They may say that they are not racist but when someone from another race displays those qualities you mentioned all that "hidden racism" comes out one way or another. Racism should be taken( Holocaust anyone?,Rwandan genocide? Algerian Massacre?)seriously.
I hope Pensive replies to our messages:) _________________
Fighting makes the baby Jesus cry. _________________ "For too long we have been taught to praise the wrong heroes, thieves planting flags and murderers carrying crosses. Let us at last praise the colonizers of dreams." ~ Peter S. Beagle
I meant me and moon "arguing" with pensive. Not the three of us arguing with each other ( cuz you said the three of us)
I agree. I mean i respect pensive's opinions but that doesnt mean I have to agree and shouldnt voice my opinion. After all this forum is about HP something we all love so we should be happy:) and dance...~! _________________
I meant me and moon "arguing" with pensive. Not the three of us arguing with each other ( cuz you said the three of us)
I agree. I mean i respect pensive's opinions but that doesnt mean I have to agree and shouldnt voice my opinion. After all this forum is about HP something we all love so we should be happy:) and dance...~!
Yeah, I agree except for the part about dancing.
Anyway I think I’ll E-mail him today and try to get him to come back to the forums (if he did leave).
Isn’t it wired when people’s feelings get hurt through the internet. _________________
First of all, I didn't reply until now because I was sick for about 20 days, then I needed to catch up on bills, housework, I homeschool my child, and I work full time. Yes, I am wonder woman and frankly, I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed. I took the time to do a bit of research before responding.
Moonfisher- you used the pictures on the website
www.albinoblacksheep.com/image/racistnews as evidence for racism in the media. I didn't get upset over them like you did because I have been duped before. Now, I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt and wait for an explaination before, I get all upset. Maybe this comes with age or experience. Check out the website www.snopes.com/katrina/photos/looters.asp It has the explainations for the pictures and captions.
1. The pictures were taken by 2 different photographers who wrote their own captions for different media organizations.
2. The photographer who took the picture of the white folks wrote, "they found the items," because the items were floating out of a nearby store and they pickd them up. "There were black and white folks picking up foodstuffs out of the water aroun that store. He chose the picture of the white folks, because it made a better picture. ( Maybe they were the only white folks he could find)
3. The photographer who took the picture of the young black man, said he wrote, "looting" because he saw the man break into a store and take the food stuffs. So, he felt, in the truest sense of the word, he was looting.
So, these pictures don't support your theory of racism in the media.
Many stations differientiated between those that were taking basic supplies and those that were looting other items. I was purposely looking for folks other than black folks that were looting other items. I may have seen 1-2 white folks actually looting, however, once the camera was watching, they dropped the stuff and walked away. The black folks that were looting other goods, were much more bold, and continued to carry goods out even with the cameras watching. It wasn't until the police intervened that they stopped. Now, several scenerios may have been occuring at once. Maybe, there weren't any whites to film, maybe the media was purposely not filming them, and maybe only a small minority of the black population there was looting. We weren't there, we don't really know do we
More to come on Katrina later. _________________ You're just jealous cause the voices only talk to me!
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Yes. I think we all realize how other minority groups are portrayed badly but this thread is about black racism. Not about other minorities. I belong to another minority that in the US is in the same level as black ( in terms to racism) I mean I know people who in Ohio were beaten because they were part of this minority but im not talking about them because Katrina involved the black minority.
