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Posts: 28287 · Posted: November 24, 2007 11:55 am Post subject: The Portkey

Ive a lot of questions regarding that portkey.

i assume that there was a predetermined time when it would transport harry to the grave, and someone back to hogwarts. i mean, thats how portkeys work. there is a predetermined time.

was it by pure chance that when harry touched the cup, it was exactly the predetermined time when the portkey would be activated?

and now going to the graveyard scene, how did lily and james know when it was? and how did harry know when it was? or was it pure luck?

i mean, james told harry to touch the portkey and take him back to hogwarts. how did they know about that, and how did they know when exactly when the portkey will be activated.

and was it by pure chance that harry, upon touching the cup, was immediately transported? i mean, yeah i know he accioed it, because voldemort was really close to him already. but was it by pure chance that the very minute he touched it he was transported?
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Posts: 9802 · Posted: November 24, 2007 3:59 pm Post subject:

That is a very good question. I think that maybe they didn't have a predetermined time for both going and coming from the graveyard. It was just a two-way ticket. Cuz, how would they know exactly when harry was going to touch the cup?? I don't think they expected Harry to go back though. Or maybe the priori incantatem spell, the ghosties, they might've had something to do with it.
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I guess, that while Moody was watching the third task he could've transformed the cup into a portkey the moment Harry had eye-contact. No big deal considering his magical eye and the fact that he himself bewitched the cup right before the task (nobody knows what spells he really used).

But considering that the cup worked as a two-way portkey, maybe there was no predetermined time. Perhaps Moody created a permanent portkey. That would explain why Harry could use it to return to Hogwarts. But there would be no reason for that. I mean there wasn't anybody in the graveyard who wanted to go back, was it?

But anyway, it is possible that Moody didn't want to create a portkey the normal way (including a predetermined time) because of Harry. Regarding Harry's behavior in the second task (he waited underwater for no reason) maybe Moody didn't want any risk, so he used a more powerful spell to create a permanent portkey so there wouldn't be any chance for Harry to miss it.

But that doesn't explain why James knew about the cup being a two-way ticket...

Posts: 25885 · Posted: November 24, 2007 8:32 pm Post subject:

It couldn't have been a predetermined time, there was no way to know exactly when the winning champion would end up touching it. Not even Fake!Moody would know, there were still obstacles he couldn't blast out of Harry's way... like the fog that turned the world upside down.
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Posts: 28287 · Posted: November 25, 2007 2:38 am Post subject:

so there might have been no predetermined time, after all... yeah i thought about that. but if that were the case, then maybe all those times portkeys were created, like going to the Quidditch World Cup with the Diggorys, and the portkey at Tonk's house in DH, dont you think it would be smarter if the order made portkeys that didnt have a predetermined time?
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Posts: 25885 · Posted: November 25, 2007 3:21 am Post subject:

I think that the portkeys for the Quidditch World Cup had predetermined times because they had to... so much time and energy went into making sure that the wizards didn't all show up at once. Giving the portkeys predetermined times helped this along. It's like a train schedule.

I'm thinking that portkeys usually have to have predetermined times, but maybe a special case was made for teh quidditch cup?
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Posts: 28287 · Posted: November 25, 2007 4:46 am Post subject:

i suppose...

so perhaps if a muggle picks up the manky old boot he doesnt get transported into the stadium?

similarly in the case of the portkey after the seven potters, its was to ensure that people did not apparate at the burrow at the same time?
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