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For me, the Triwizard Tournament was the most arbitrary aspect of the whole series. If Voldemort had an operative in Hogwarts, why would he take the trouble to enter Harry into, and guide him through, the whole tournament if all he needed him to do in the end was touch a portkey? Wouldn't it have been easier/more foolproof to just get him to touch a portkey somewhere during day-to-day life at Hogwarts?

I mean, the plan of getting him through the tournament could've failed any number of times. I mean, what if Cedric had just gone and touched the portkey first? Or what if Harry had been injured to the point where he couldn't complete the tournament?

Or am I missing something here?

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I agree with you, stillcaptures. There were so many other ways Voldemort could have gotten to Harry. Writers just have to take the long way round to fill the pages.

Reminds me of Lord of the Rings...(I even saw my thought animated on youtube)...how it could have been so much easier to destroy the one ring if the eagles flew Frodo over Mt. Doom, and Frodo just tossed the thing into the mountain. Wouldn't be much of a story if that happened. Smile

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Posts: 696 · Posted: November 20, 2007 8:15 pm Post subject:

^ I watched a bunch of those "how it should have ended" videos and they are freakin hilarious so spread the word.
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Posts: 27563 · Posted: November 24, 2007 11:48 am Post subject:

hmm... ive also been wondering about that. but lemme see...

i think voldemort's plan was to make the triwizard cup a portkey, kill harry, touch the cup to transport himself to hogwarts, kill dumbledore, fudge, and everyone else there who is important

great plan.

however, he couldnt have done it himself. its an entire crowd vs himself. unless of course he was planning to bring his death eaters along, in which case, it would be a totally brilliant plan. they could all huddle together, touch the portkey at the exact moment, and then they would be transported to hogwarts. but there are only about a dozen of them. how can they take over a huge crowd of ministry officials, professors, and semi-skilled students?
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Posts: 8668 · Posted: November 24, 2007 4:08 pm Post subject:

I think that:

He didn't want anyone to touch a portkey at school and get the wrong person.
he needed his body back and wanted to use Harry. and
Voldy always overlooks the easy stuff and doesn't care about it til it hurts him

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Posts: 27563 · Posted: November 25, 2007 2:39 am Post subject:

^ i dont see how it relates to voldemort's taking the long way
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Posts: 1980 · Posted: November 27, 2007 12:12 pm Post subject:

I think it was more of an ego thing. He wanted Harry to got through all the suffering and hardships of the torniment and to finally, when he had finaly reached his goal, die a terrible death at the hands of the man who had killed his parents.
As for a port key, it would have been easy for Barty Jr. to make a port key that only harry would touch. Like say he had harry come to his office. Invite him to sit down on the stool, and the stool be the port key. Any thing like that would have worked.
I think it was ego.
About the plan of using the portkey to go back to the tourny to fight all the people, it would be plausible, and like you said if they had more deatheaters it could have been an actual battle, but I think he would have used the port key to send back the dead body so that all could see the dead body of the boy who lived.
Just my thoughts on the matter.
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Posts: 27563 · Posted: November 28, 2007 2:22 am Post subject:

maybe. or they didnt really care about harry potter's body. or perhaps theyd bring it along with him. i dunno. if voldemort comes to attack, and harry potter has not returned, it could be assumed that harry had died already.
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Posts: 1980 · Posted: November 28, 2007 6:52 pm Post subject:

But a visual is a very good moral dropper. Show them that thier hero is dead and they'll lose alot of their heart. Just tell them and they'll still have hope.
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Posts: 27563 · Posted: November 29, 2007 4:12 am Post subject:

well then maybe they were gonna take him too. like once theyve killed harry, voldemort will be like, "ok, so now my death eaters, lets huddle around, and touch the portkey at the same time. bring potter along.
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Posts: 1980 · Posted: November 29, 2007 4:01 pm Post subject:

Ya they could have gone along and fought, but let's remembers some thing a few of US keep forgeting. They had alot of full grown wizards and members of the ministry along with the teachers, to fight apon thier ariveal. And maybe they could have pushed through all that, but Dumbledor and the entire school would have overwelmed the, how many came when Voldimort made the sign, contingent easly. Like I said earlyer, I Voldimort had more eaters, it would have been plausabele. Maybe he was expecting more of a turnout by his followers. Thinking

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In regards to the theory that Voldemort planned on using the portkey to go straight back into the crowd of wizards, etc.

Wasn't it a priority for Voldemort to not blatantly show himself, at least until he'd taken control of the ministry? I remember that at least being inferred.

Posts: 27563 · Posted: November 30, 2007 2:20 pm Post subject:

hmm.. maybe he was going to surprise them all and do a mass avada kedavra.
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Posts: 1980 · Posted: November 30, 2007 4:07 pm Post subject:

I haven't read that book in a while, meaning more than six months, so I'm not entirely sure. But if Harry had died there would have been a large outcry as to who had done it. Voldimort could have hidden his tracks but I think Dumbledor would have seen through it and many others. Then againg they could have just come to the Fifth book with out harry. That would be odd.
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you guys are too confusing :S

all i gotta say is that Voldemort COULD have made Barty make Harry touch a random object in which Barty made a portkey, take Harry's blood and rose... but it had to be the long way (the one where Barty entered Harry in the Triwiz. T, and guide him though it) otherwise the story would have been lame and probably shorter than atleast the POA and the title would have been "Harry Potter and the Portkey to Riddle" Razz

or whatever and i wouldnt have liked GOF as much as i do. HAHAHAHH =D
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Posts: 27563 · Posted: December 7, 2007 6:14 am Post subject:

well were not taking it from the point of view of the author or the readers. we are just taking the pov of the characters. when you make plans, you dont think about whether your plans will make an interesting story. you just think about whats gonna work better. im sure voldie wasnt thinking "oh the readers are not gonna like it if i kill harry immediately. ill give him a year then."
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I could go and formulate a BS response that Rowling would probobly use to answer the question such as Voldemort's ego and whatnot, but the truth is that she needed to write a story. Yes, it isn't a realistic way to go about porting Harry, but a book had to be written and it was. A very good book I might add. The book cannot have been 200 pages and result in a Harry Potter death. It would be anti-climactic if he randomly was talking to Ron and Hermoine and suddenly got ported. The way Rowling set it up was brilliant - it came at the perfect time (climax).

So in short, she needed a good build up and to satisfy the page quota.

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