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PostPosted: November 4, 2007 9:46 pm    Post subject: smoking... how do you fell about it? Reply with quote

how do you guys feel about... i mean i see this one commercial with this black guy telling us the facts about smoking... you know smoking kills dont smoke. so in a lot of places its becoming more and more difficult to smoke in public... some placing im like yes, people dont need to smoke there. such a government houses or restaurants. but i have a feeling that all these tobaco taxes is just a way to get people to stop smoking cuz its a expensive habit. now i dont smoke cigarettes, but i do smoke cigars occasionally with my gaming pals, or just to have a smoke... i know its not very womanly too, but i do it and its my choice. i do it bc it tastes good and smells good. cigars dont have a raunchy smell like cigarettes... since these are my choices and i have been fully educated in school and out of school, i know what may happen. i do not think that people should out law smoking, this is coming from the non smokers who are making our choices. they shouldnt make it harder for us either, i truely think that if we want to go and have a smoke in the park let us have the smoke. i think this is a violation to a freedom and free will. i feel strongly that we should be aloud to smoke public places except what listed above. what do you believe? no smokers or let there be smokers.
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PostPosted: November 4, 2007 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smoking sucks.

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PostPosted: November 5, 2007 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

as an ex-smoker i have to say that smokers are getting the short end of the stick. i was always considerate enough to smoke outside of public places but even then you get snooty non smokers that tell you that you are "poisoning their air" i used to tell them, this is everyones air, bring yours elsewhere.

i was even surprised when i went to atlantic city our blackjack dealer had asked for us not to smoke (the only indoor public place i would smoke) because she had an allergy. i left the table because i felt, if i am spending time and money in the establishment i have as much rights as the non smoker who is drinking and making a scene.

non smokers need to get over their holier than thou attitude cuz they have problems too. (and i dont mean u matt, im talking in general)

now...

as a current non smoker, i see the other end of the spectrum. i was in a resteraunt and this guy insisted on smoking, which in NY is not allowed and i was pregnant at the time. i asked him politely to smoke elsewhere and explained that i was pregnant. he grumbled about non smokers and left.

not that my reason was any better than the next but at least i had tact. some non smokers are just annoying.

i vowed to never be that annoying reformed smoker, although i no longer have piety for the smoker that has to wait a few extra minutes for their smoke. but thats more like i cant smoke so why should i make myself inconvenienced for your comfort.

and as for cigerettes being 5.00 a pack now that is so rediculious!! i used to buy 2 packs of smokes and a drink for 5.00.

i do not think its because our government loves us and wants us to quit either... its the government is what i would consider an opportunist and wants to find a way to tax us more.

that was my 2 cents on the whole smoking issue
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PostPosted: November 5, 2007 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think out in the open you should be able to smoke, the toxins may still contaminate the air but no more so than the other crap that's in our air these days. As for the health crap I think if they can ban smokes for that reason then they should ban everything else that can cause medical problems.. y'know alcohol, diet pills, fast food outlets etc. It would be as unjust as banning cigarettes.

I hate ads or pictures showing the damages of smoking, it's not the place to educate, sure you can put in a warning like on other products that contain chemicals but its not the governments right to choose how people live their own lives and hence make it more difficult to do so. If you want people to know the risks fix the education system don't gross me out when I'm trying to eat. Oh and most of the time after I see non-smoking propaganda I want to smoke.
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PostPosted: November 5, 2007 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think smokers should be able to smoke outside a building but not inside one same with houses, and other structures.
But smoking sucks if you ever take time to look at all the health issues with it. IT also waists your money. But the quit smoking pills most of them don't work i am sure.
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PostPosted: November 5, 2007 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can smoke inside if its your house, and there are no kids.

And everything has effects on your health, do you consume fatty food? Energy drinks? I'd say booze but you seem about eleven so I dont think its appropriate. How old are you? If your over eighteen, or 21 I s'pose in the US then.. Booze? Do too much exercise? Not enough? Work too much? Study too much?
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PostPosted: November 5, 2007 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You can smoke inside if its your house, and there are no kids.


if they are your kids shouldnt you be the one to decide if you smoke around em or not... thats like invading how we raise our kids... i know that second hand smoke is bad... but that is your home right? you should be able to run the place you want as long as its not illegal... i know that i personally that i will not smoke in front of my kids.. mainly cuz i want them oblivious to drugs and smoking until their 50... but i think that they are your kids in your house... plus, we have been smoking in our own houses for generations... and a lot of people have turned out fine.. if they didnt turn out smoking... that is.. if there is an other place that smoking should be aloud other than outside, its our own homes.
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PostPosted: November 5, 2007 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I grew up in a smoking house-hold, and it never really bothered me. I don'd the fact that people smoke or that they do it aroud me. I just hate the fact that people spend so much money on the habit. I don't understand how they can afford it. Then you have the people who can't afford it, but do it anyway. They nag you for money for cigs whenever they have none. I want to know why in the hell would some one start smoking, when the person can't afford it. I also hate when people want guilt trips over the fact that they are addicted to cigs, and they think that just because they started at a young age it isn't their faults. Well guess what, I was 11 and twelve once. I had more of an opportunity to smoke that most, because my dad smoked. I could have just snick some of his cigs. I thought about it, though, and I knew that once I was addicted, I would probably never stop. I also knew that there might be times when I can't afford cigs, and I would go crazy. I thought about this when I was young. I'm sure that every one else had the capability to think about it. I shouldn't have to suffer through the complaints of people who make thoughtless choices.

Now, the people who smoke, can afford their cigarettes, and don't conplain about their sddictions really don't bother me.
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PostPosted: November 5, 2007 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ravvy wrote:
as an ex-smoker i have to say that smokers are getting the short end of the stick. i was always considerate enough to smoke outside of public places but even then you get snooty non smokers that tell you that you are "poisoning their air" i used to tell them, this is everyones air, bring yours elsewhere.

i was even surprised when i went to atlantic city our blackjack dealer had asked for us not to smoke (the only indoor public place i would smoke) because she had an allergy. i left the table because i felt, if i am spending time and money in the establishment i have as much rights as the non smoker who is drinking and making a scene.

non smokers need to get over their holier than thou attitude cuz they have problems too. (and i dont mean u matt, im talking in general)

now...

as a current non smoker, i see the other end of the spectrum. i was in a resteraunt and this guy insisted on smoking, which in NY is not allowed and i was pregnant at the time. i asked him politely to smoke elsewhere and explained that i was pregnant. he grumbled about non smokers and left.

not that my reason was any better than the next but at least i had tact. some non smokers are just annoying.

i vowed to never be that annoying reformed smoker, although i no longer have piety for the smoker that has to wait a few extra minutes for their smoke. but thats more like i cant smoke so why should i make myself inconvenienced for your comfort.

and as for cigerettes being 5.00 a pack now that is so rediculious!! i used to buy 2 packs of smokes and a drink for 5.00.

i do not think its because our government loves us and wants us to quit either... its the government is what i would consider an opportunist and wants to find a way to tax us more.

that was my 2 cents on the whole smoking issue


Yeah, what she said.

Plus, all that stuff they sell to help you stop smoking? Like the patch, it's all owned by the same companies that produce cigarettes. So they make money whether you smoke or not.

I also believe that if it is a private establishment it is up to the owner whether or not to allow smoking.
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PostPosted: November 5, 2007 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not talking about other smokers bothering me, I'm just saying smoking sucks, period.

Everybody on my dad side of the family smokes, I'm used to the smell, it doesn't bother me but it's still annoying because it's damaging their health. I vowed when my Grandma died because of smoking that I would never smoke a cigarette and to this day I haven't. Which, as a teenager in my school, that's an accomplishment, lol.
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PostPosted: November 5, 2007 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gideon Prewett wrote:
I'm not talking about other smokers bothering me, I'm just saying smoking sucks, period.

Everybody on my dad side of the family smokes, I'm used to the smell, it doesn't bother me but it's still annoying because it's damaging their health. I vowed when my Grandma died because of smoking that I would never smoke a cigarette and to this day I haven't. Which, as a teenager in my school, that's an accomplishment, lol.


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PostPosted: November 5, 2007 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same thing with drinking. I've seen alcohol affect some really good people, and I see how it harms other people. I know that I'll have some beers in my life, but there's a difference between having a drink, and being a drinker.
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PostPosted: November 5, 2007 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gideon Prewett wrote:
Same thing with drinking. I've seen alcohol affect some really good people, and I see how it harms other people. I know that I'll have some beers in my life, but there's a difference between having a drink, and being a drinker.


Definitely... I've known a few functioning alcoholics in my life... so scary. And I've seen a few friends get lost down that way, too. I have even known of people who died because of drinking. Crying or Very sad
A drink here and there is alright... but when it becomes a drink here, there, and everywhere, then that's a problem.
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PostPosted: November 5, 2007 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gideon Prewett wrote:
Same thing with drinking. I've seen alcohol affect some really good people, and I see how it harms other people. I know that I'll have some beers in my life, but there's a difference between having a drink, and being a drinker.


see thats karma... and what has life given to you? a sweet and sexy ambbie cuz u have been very good.
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PostPosted: November 5, 2007 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ravvy wrote:
Gideon Prewett wrote:
Same thing with drinking. I've seen alcohol affect some really good people, and I see how it harms other people. I know that I'll have some beers in my life, but there's a difference between having a drink, and being a drinker.


see thats karma... and what has life given to you? a sweet and sexy ambbie cuz u have been very good.


lol, and a lot of luck. Smile
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PostPosted: November 5, 2007 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gideon you dont smoke or drink! o.o you sounded like me in higschool... plz plz keep it up and dont do what i did and just say whatever all my friends do it to so might as well join them at the party type of an ordeal... yeah peer pressure does work... but ill say this... i have never done drugs... and that is an accomplishment anywhere... and im gonna keep it that way.
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PostPosted: November 5, 2007 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't like all that 'I can teach my kids whatever I want 'cause I gave them life' nonsense. If it harms their health and their parents do it then they should have their kids taken away and be neutered. I don't care about statistics on long term health problems from passive smoking I just know that while the kids are legally unable to make choices for themselves they shouldn't have to put up with crap that they later wish they hadn't been subjected to.
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PostPosted: November 5, 2007 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't like all that 'I can teach my kids whatever I want 'cause I gave them life' nonsense. If it harms their health and their parents do it then they should have their kids taken away and be neutered. I don't care about statistics on long term health problems from passive smoking I just know that while the kids are legally unable to make choices for themselves they shouldn't have to put up with crap that they later wish they hadn't been subjected to.


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My smoking story...

My mom smokes. Hardcore.

She used to smoke while doing the laundry and my clothes would smell like cigarette smoke. Because she smoked she couldn't smell the smoke herself. So when I complained to her, she told me to quit nagging her... she thought I was lying. When I was in middle school, one of my teachers asked me to stay after class. She accused me of smoking. She told me she could smell the smoke on me. I told her what happened, and she felt bad. No harm done. I went home and told my mom. She thought I was lying.

I vowed to never smoke.

That vow only last a couple of years until I started smoking. And I was able to keep it from my mom for nearly 5 years. She could never smell it on me and when she found packs around, I'd blame them on my friends which she blindly accepted, because it was easier than admittting her own daughter smoked.

When she found out I smoked she would beg me to quit. We both knew she was being a hypocrite. And I continued smoking.

I quit, but I will never consider myself to be a "non-smoker." The cravings are constant and persistant... I think about it constantly and look back on it fondly. I feel incomplete without my pack of cigarettes with me. My anxiety levels are high, along with my stress level. I hate not smoking, but I hate the possible long term effects even more.
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PostPosted: November 5, 2007 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yer my mum smokes, doesn't know that I ever have 'cause she either can't smell it or denies it. But if I'm not smoking I refuse to let her drink something out of the same cup or bottle as me 'cause then it'll taste like smokes, she thinks I'm being stupid but it actually does have a huge effect.
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PostPosted: November 5, 2007 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well, i dont smoke so i dont really know what to say about how it feels.
i just dont think that people should encourage other people to smoke so that they could be cool or what. i dont find anything cool with having yellow teeth, bad breath, and black lungs. so while my lungs are still virgins, i stay away from anything that will make me wanna smoke. im not saying never, but i try to avoid it. i never felt the urge to smoke anyway. but for those who are som completely addicted to it, stop it. its not good for your health, the environment, and the health of other people, smokers and non smokers alike. for those who smoke every now and then, well, just make sure it doesnt become a habit. if you can stop smoking, all the better. if you cant, then fine. just dont smoke like a chimney.
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PostPosted: November 6, 2007 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

my take...outside public places should be ok...but not by the entrance/exit. I hate when smokers stand by the entrance, so if you want in or out you have to smell it (gross) and what if you have asthma and you have to go past? You should have to go to an area that people don't have to be in...then if they complain...well they shouldn't be because they could just avoid it.
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PostPosted: November 6, 2007 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing good comes of it
I think they should stop making them altogether, my Grandpa is dying of lung cancer because of it.
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Oh yes, 'cause banning things solves all the problems.
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