His intentions completely justify his actions. He was scared for Bella's safety and he knew Jacob was going to try something with Bella. Both of which he was right about. He wasn't in the wrong, she was. _________________ Blame it on a simple twist of fate ~ Bob Dylan Team Cucumber, FTW!
His intentions completely justify his actions. He was scared for Bella's safety and he knew Jacob was going to try something with Bella. Both of which he was right about. He wasn't in the wrong, she was.
Nah, I'm not mocking. I'm just being cautious, because most Twilight fans go ballistic when someone outwardly speaks against their perfect greek god.
Onto my point:
No, intentions do NOT justify actions. How hard was it to just sit her down and say "Listen honey. I'm really concerned about your safety. Would you please just stay away, if only for a little while? I don't trust him with you alone."
If Bella was half the girlfriend she should be, she'd take his words to heart.
Instead, Edward does the controlling - abusive - thing. He steals parts of her engines with the intent for forcing her to stay. FORCING. TAKING AWAY HER DECISION. I don't care if he was worried or not. We went about the wrong way to show it. Not to mention he had Alice freaking kidnap her to keep her "safe." If you ask me, he's just an outrageous, possessive fool.
Has anyone else realized how much he puts her down in the story? Demeans her intelligence? I know Bella isn't written as the smartest cookie in the box, even though Meyer says she's quite intelligent, but that gives him no right to put her down. What kind of boyfriend would do that?
Edward isn't physically abusive. He messed with her mind, her emotions.
He's a horribly prejudiced and jealous character (which are the two main reasons he dismantled her truck.). He emotionally hurts her and breaks promises.
Remember when he said to stay with her, no matter what? He leaves her, with little to no explanation, then has the cheek to control how she heals over it by removing all of the things his family gave her in order to instigate a "clean break." That's controlling how she heals, how she deals with it. It's what lead to how she took things in her zombie state. When he comes back - because she absolutely is nothing without him, as he himself said - she clings more ferociously than she did before.
LOOK at real life relationships. These all happen, but not a lot of people look at it because the story is from Bella's point of view, and Smeyer wrote her to be a submissive little protagonist. He's emotionally manipulative and controlling, to the point of messing with her healing process after a break-up to show how badly off they are without him, so the partner feels like they can never leave. He isolates her from her friends (Jacob) and takes away her decision to see him or not.
Thus, to me, he is abusive, and I would never want an 'Edward' of my own.
GinnyX wrote:
Morgan_Shay wrote:
I thought you said that Edward was abusive. You STILL want a man like that?
I said he was abusive?
Yup. It was you. I did a search. I'm utterly confused as to why you're going back on your statements, and that disappoints me to no end. _________________ The Most Popular Book in the Whole World
No, intentions do NOT justify actions. How hard was it to just sit her down and say "Listen honey. I'm really concerned about your safety. Would you please just stay away, if only for a little while? I don't trust him with you alone."
He did talk to her, although I agree that he should have phrased it better.
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If Bella was half the girlfriend she should be, she'd take his words to heart.
She wasn't. She kept running after Jacob over and over again. She cheated on him. She was a terrible girlfriend and Edward should have dumped her.
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Instead, Edward does the controlling - abusive - thing. He steals parts of her engines with the intent for forcing her to stay. FORCING. TAKING AWAY HER DECISION. I don't care if he was worried or not. We went about the wrong way to show it. Not to mention he had Alice freaking kidnap her to keep her "safe." If you ask me, he's just an outrageous, possessive fool.
I thought he was absolutely awful for those things, too, until I read further.
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Has anyone else realized how much he puts her down in the story? Demeans her intelligence? I know Bella isn't written as the smartest cookie in the box, even though Meyer says she's quite intelligent, but that gives him no right to put her down. What kind of boyfriend would do that?
He never demeans her intelligence at all. If Meyer wasn't such a terrible writer, then she should have written how Bella is smart. But in the end, they are all a bunch of morons. In the end of Eclipse...
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How could they not have known it was a trap set by Victoria? Seriously... they were all pretty dumb. I've written epic posts elsewhere on this topic, so I'm drained to do this right niow, but it's pretty hard to think of a time when I didnt' want to roll my eyes at Bell and throw things at her.
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Edward isn't physically abusive. He messed with her mind, her emotions.
He's a horribly prejudiced and jealous character (which are the two main reasons he dismantled her truck.). He emotionally hurts her and breaks promises.
He is worred about Bella's safety. I would be, too, especially after what happened to Emily.
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Remember when he said to stay with her, no matter what? He leaves her, with little to no explanation, then has the cheek to control how she heals over it by removing all of the things his family gave her in order to instigate a "clean break." That's controlling how she heals, how she deals with it. It's what lead to how she took things in her zombie state. When he comes back - because she absolutely is nothing without him, as he himself said - she clings more ferociously than she did before.
He said he would stay with her for as long as she needed him or whatever. And she didn't. Couples break up and get back together all the time. Sometimes it's for the best. It's not huge deal. Bella didnt' even try to get over Edward, either way. She was a zombie, not because he took some pictures, which was something that he had the choice to do since they were pictures of him, but because she chose to not try to get over him. She had the choice to move on with her life and she chose not to. Missing pictures from her scrapbook didn't do that, she did that.
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LOOK at real life relationships. These all happen, but not a lot of people look at it because the story is from Bella's point of view, and Smeyer wrote her to be a submissive little protagonist. He's emotionally manipulative and controlling, to the point of messing with her healing process after a break-up to show how badly off they are without him, so the partner feels like they can never leave. He isolates her from her friends (Jacob) and takes away her decision to see him or not.
It was only Jacob he didn't like and for very good reasons... he later goes on to sexually assault her. Edward didnt' keep her from Jessica or Angela... Bella distanced herself from them all on her own. She was a cold person when she moved to Forks. Wen she staretd going out with Edward, she chose to be with him all the time. He didn t' force her. When he left she distanced herself further. He had nothing to do with that. When Edward came back, she went back to being with only him. At no time did Edward force that into her. That was a choice Bella made on her own. It was only Jacob that Edward didn't like and he had perfectly good reason.
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Thus, to me, he is abusive, and I would never want an 'Edward' of my own.
I thought he was horribly abusive at first, too, until I finished reading Eclipse and saw that Bella was much, much worse. I know Stephanie likes to say that Bella is some intelligent heroine, but she doesn't show that in her writing. _________________ Blame it on a simple twist of fate ~ Bob Dylan Team Cucumber, FTW!
She wasn't. She kept running after Jacob over and over again. She cheated on him. She was a terrible girlfriend and Edward should have dumped her.
I can admit she's a horrible girlfriend, and in that respect I feel sorry for him.
GinnyX wrote:
I thought he was absolutely awful for those things, too, until I read further.
Funny, when I finished Eclipse I absolutely hated Edward.
GinnyX wrote:
He never demeans her intelligence at all. If Meyer wasn't such a terrible writer, then she should have written how Bella is smart. But in the end, they are all a bunch of morons. In the end of Eclipse...
Spoiler:
How could they not have known it was a trap set by Victoria? Seriously... they were all pretty dumb. I've written epic posts elsewhere on this topic, so I'm drained to do this right niow, but it's pretty hard to think of a time when I didnt' want to roll my eyes at Bell and throw things at her.
Yeah, Meyer is a pretty crappy writer. If she can get a book published, then I know it'll be freaking easy for me to post Shadowlands.. but I digress.
I haven't read any of the books in a long while. I'm still decided on whether to subject myself to the continuing train wreck of Breaking Dawn. So maybe he didn't insult her intelligence.
But he does say she's nothing without him. He says she can't survive without him there. What does that say to poor Bella's brain?
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He is worred about Bella's safety. I would be, too, especially after what happened to Emily.
But that doesn't justify the fact that he used force to isolate her. That's a characteristic of an abusive relationship.
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He said he would stay with her for as long as she needed him or whatever. And she didn't. Couples break up and get back together all the time. Sometimes it's for the best. It's not huge deal. Bella didnt' even try to get over Edward, either way. She was a zombie, not because he took some pictures, which was something that he had the choice to do since they were pictures of him, but because she chose to not try to get over him. She had the choice to move on with her life and she chose not to. Missing pictures from her scrapbook didn't do that, she did that.
Again, lack of Tw-reading for a few months. I may be fuzzy on exact quotes. (: Regardless of how she reacted, the fact he took pictures and objects was an attempt to control how she healed, even if she barely healed at all.
This is a tool used by abusers in a relationship to tell their partner how weak they are by manipulating emotions. Even if Edward didn't plan to come back, it's a tool used in abusive relationships.
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It was only Jacob he didn't like and for very good reasons... he later goes on to sexually assault her. Edward didnt' keep her from Jessica or Angela... Bella distanced herself from them all on her own. She was a cold person when she moved to Forks. Wen she staretd going out with Edward, she chose to be with him all the time. He didn t' force her. When he left she distanced herself further. He had nothing to do with that. When Edward came back, she went back to being with only him. At no time did Edward force that into her. That was a choice Bella made on her own. It was only Jacob that Edward didn't like and he had perfectly good reason.
Meh, got me there. That still doesn't change the fact he went to extremes to control who she saw. Maybe if he let her get hurt a little bit, she'd learn a few lessons.
He shouldn't have saved her so much. :/ That pisses me off. She's a horrible excuse for a protagonist and makes females look helpless. -_-
GinnyX wrote:
I thought he was horribly abusive at first, too, until I finished reading Eclipse and saw that Bella was much, much worse. I know Stephanie likes to say that Bella is some intelligent heroine, but she doesn't show that in her writing.
Bella makes a lot of stupid choices. She makes me want to wretch. I still think that Edward has abusive tendencies, regardless of whether he feels like he has to, or like he's justified.
Maybe it's just the fact that I know I'm smarter than Bella, but if my boyfriend asked me - asked - I'd stay away from something, or not do something he didn't liked. I would never tolerate him dismantling my truck or asking his sister to kidnap for a weekend. That would NOT go over well. _________________ The Most Popular Book in the Whole World
eh gin...I can't agree with you that Edward was right in stopping her from going. it's still taking her will away, whether he meant it for the best or not. and to begin with, he had no idea that Jacob would hurt her. well he knew it was possible, but its Bella...anything could hurt her. "no hun...give me that paper...you're gonna get a cut". I think Edward has a tendency to be waaaay overprotective and that leads him to supreme stupidity. like when he left to begin with. now if Edward was all NOO YOU CAN'T SEE HIM after he molested her...fine. that would be understandable. but at the point he was doing that Jacob had done nothing wrong. let Bella make her choices and if she gets hurt in the process be there to comfort her and take the pain away. _________________ They say home is where the heart is, so your real home's in your chest. --Captain Hammer
eh gin...I can't agree with you that Edward was right in stopping her from going. it's still taking her will away, whether he meant it for the best or not. and to begin with, he had no idea that Jacob would hurt her. well he knew it was possible, but its Bella...anything could hurt her. "no hun...give me that paper...you're gonna get a cut". I think Edward has a tendency to be waaaay overprotective and that leads him to supreme stupidity. like when he left to begin with. now if Edward was all NOO YOU CAN'T SEE HIM after he molested her...fine. that would be understandable. but at the point he was doing that Jacob had done nothing wrong. let Bella make her choices and if she gets hurt in the process be there to comfort her and take the pain away.
Exactly. Edward restricted her from seeing him because he was jealous that she was friends with another male, and because he was prejudiced. Jacob had not really done anything wrong, and she KNEW he was a werewolf. Edward was just being a jerk because apparently he knew Jacob a lot better than Bella would. _________________ The Most Popular Book in the Whole World
Well, the only reason why I think he was jusified was because he knew that things could end up badly, like with Jacob hurting her or kissing her and stuff. He was acting like a jealous boyfriend, and I can't really "hate" him for that, since he had reason to be jealous. I absolutely hated him for having his sister kidnap Bella and taking apart her car. I hate Bella even more for putting up with it. For a heroine, she came across as a very weak role model for teens, in my opinion. I wish he had talked to her about it... and I definitely wish she had talked to him about it sooner. The only thing she could say was, "I'm Switzerland." That was the cowards way out. Instead of telling Jacob to stop hitting on her, she keeps runnin g off to meet him. Instead of telling Edward to stop controlling her, she let's him. Both men are dumbasses and Bella is an even bigger one.
It wasbn't just that Edward was prejudice against Jacob. He was worried he would hurt her. He also knew that Jacob had a crush on her. Furthermore, it isn 't fair to say that Edward is bad for being prejudice against Jacob, when Jacob was just as bad about Edward being a vampire, despite being a vegetarian one. _________________ Blame it on a simple twist of fate ~ Bob Dylan Team Cucumber, FTW!
yeah Jacob was prejudiced too...but that doesn't make either of them right. and I definitely agree that bella is a dumb ass for letting herself be manipulated and such. but that doesn't erase the fact that they did the manipulating and stuff. but I don't hate edward for it, he admitted he was wrong later. I didn't even hate him before that but it did annoy me. _________________ They say home is where the heart is, so your real home's in your chest. --Captain Hammer
pssh, Jacob never apologized or anything. He loved every second of it. _________________ Blame it on a simple twist of fate ~ Bob Dylan Team Cucumber, FTW!
i just find out that on potterforums you had something on the the brillant twilight. I think it awesome book and if someone agrees with me it somehow reaches to us as we read the book thats how i felt.
Bella and Edward are always my fave characters that i feel connect with as i read the book but somehow also rosalie does too.
I think that the way Bella seems always determind to find out what up the cullens are kool if it ever happened in wouldn't know what to do.
I wonder since some of you might have read the book have you heard about the twilight the movie that comes out soon.
Um, wow, did you just skip over this whole forum? I think you did. We were just discussing the movie. You're new, so heres a piece of advice: always read the last page of a thread before you post in it. Anyways, Morgan Shay, if you don't like Twilight, then why did you post here anyways?
First i would like to say i didn't skip over the whole forum i read most of it and i rather discuss both the twilight movie and book and i did read the last page of the thread. I cant wait for the twilight movie i reckon the actors who are set as the characters of the cullen family and bella i'm not so certain about Taylor Lautner acting as Jacob Black. _________________ "i know when he makes a move u make a move"
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