So public health-care has been a big issue lately, especially with Bush deciding to veto a pro-child-healthcare bill. What's everyone's stand on the issue?
Personally, I think we need public health-care. What ever happened to those "life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness" rights? People argue that it's socialism, but we have a public education system. Shouldn't we be entitled to life before we're entitled to being educated? _________________
I agree,
I believe your Physical and Mantel health should come first and is more important than your education.
You can manage life with out education of curse it will be a poor and boring life with out much money. But with out health care you can die at any point in life, so many health problems out there that can end your life.
Bush did the wrong thing i believe. _________________
So America, with an open heart and an empty stomach, I say unto you in the words of my uncle: Allez Cuisine!
I think it is absolutely ridiculous that we don't have public healthcare. _________________ Blame it on a simple twist of fate ~ Bob Dylan Team Cucumber, FTW!
We need to get Health Care soon. _________________
So America, with an open heart and an empty stomach, I say unto you in the words of my uncle: Allez Cuisine!
I love how the government takes money out of our paychecks... but then we have to pay to stay alive. It makes no sense. _________________ Blame it on a simple twist of fate ~ Bob Dylan Team Cucumber, FTW!
ya i think when our money is taken out of our paychecks then that entitles us to Health Care. _________________
So America, with an open heart and an empty stomach, I say unto you in the words of my uncle: Allez Cuisine!
It's called Social Security? and Income tax to support the other trillions of dollars of things the government has to take care of?
Public health care comes down to this:
A) Do you want the government to pay for everything and provide everything for the people (aka Communism)
or
B) do you want the government to stay out of the economy and promote ways for people to be able to pay for things themselves.
Canada has a public health care system, so does Europe. They pay higher taxes. And the systems suck. Why? Government run. There's no competition, therefore less reason to strive for things like quality.
And yes, we do have a public education system. And, it's pretty crappy. _________________
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Oh, the public school system is an absolute joke, other countries laugh at us. Granted, we should be grateful we have a public school system... but there are so many flaws in it, it is out of control.
Okay, I have a question for you guys... This isn't to start a debate, just an honest question that has been baffling me and I wonder if any one else thinks this... smeone else mewntioned SS, so I thought I'd ask...
I've been working for years... on the books since I was 16... and every week (or other week) money has been taken out for social security, right? Now, if the government decides to end social security, which it has been threatening to do... what happens to all that money I was forced to give in? Do I get it back, will it still be there for me, or is it forever lost in the hands of others older than me to appreciate? _________________ Blame it on a simple twist of fate ~ Bob Dylan Team Cucumber, FTW!
If they don't give it back, there will be a lot of pissed off people. Besides, it's not really the government taking money away. They're just saying, hey, you can't have this money until you're retired. That's all it does. _________________
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Right, I know they're not taking it away forever... we're supposed to get it back when we retire. But that is what I'm concerned about... If they get rid of SS, will I ever see my money again? _________________ Blame it on a simple twist of fate ~ Bob Dylan Team Cucumber, FTW!
I'd be so angry if the US got universal health care.
I feel no need to pay for anyone else's HC.
We pay enough in taxes as it is, and most universal health care systems are a joke.
It takes forever to get what you need done, and a lot of the time it's not as well done as it could be.
I do think our current system sucks, but I don't think public HC is the answer. _________________
Yes? Cuz they haven't really taken it? It's just in an SS account. That's what I would assume.
Nah... they reinvest our money. It's not, like, sitting somewhere waiting for us in a locked vault underground being guarded by dragons. _________________ Blame it on a simple twist of fate ~ Bob Dylan Team Cucumber, FTW!
Invest yes. But we get benefits and all of it is ours.
Not if they cancel S.S. The money is not sitting there waiting for us to retire. It's floating around somewhere going where the government tells it to. If they cancel S.S. before we get it, it's gone. The money the senior citizens are getting now is, basically, our money. So if they cancel S.S., then there will be no money left for us when we get there. Because the youngins won't be paying S.S. taxes... so there will be no money going towards us when we're old.
Supposedly the government is trying to figure out a way around this... but uh... yeah. Supposedly. _________________ Blame it on a simple twist of fate ~ Bob Dylan Team Cucumber, FTW!
Frankly, I like out education system, for the most part. Lately it has been spiraling out of control with the testing, but that can be rectified. The probelm in our country isn't the education system; rather, it is the laziness of people. Parents are too lazy to worry about their childrens' education, and children are inheriting their parents' laziness.
I went to public schools. I went to a lot of public schools. We moved every year, sometimes multiple times in a year. My parents put no stock in my education, so I was left with my own resources and the education that I could manage in public schools. The thing is, it wasn't bad at all. I enjoyed school, and I got a lot out of it. I will not denounce the education syste, because it is an insult to the excellent teachers that I had in my time in school.
Knowledge doesn't just thrust itself onto people. They have to seek knowledge out. Americans need to give kids the incentive to seek out this knowledge, and by uncentive, I don't mean five bucks per A.
As far as a public health care system, I feel that it is vital that our country incorporate one asap. Americans are getting extremely unhealthy. Many of us do have no health insurance and no means pay our medical bills. Who do you think is pays the ER bills of these Americans? The governments does. It is already paying for the health care while adding more stress to the Americans who cannot pay the medical bills, because it goes on their credit. Most jobs in America no longer provide health care or else refuse to hire full-time employees who would qualify for the health care. Lack of health insurance is becoming a crisis in America. Ignoring it will not make it go away. _________________
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i think public healthcare is both needed and should be put into effect immediately. i hated what bush did. and katie, i understand what you are saying but money comes out of your paycheck for welfare anyways so the only thing that changes is that you will be helping to fund the healthcare of people who cannot afford it.
when i was pregnant with damian thank the gods i had insurance because my medicine was 50.00 a pill. my full prescription wouls have cost me 1300.00. that is insane. also many cancer drugs cost thousands of dollars.
i am pregnant now and have no insurance and i am terrified, luckily there is a program called PCAP that i am going to apply for but i could still be denied.
we either need a universal healthcare or someone has to lower medical, dental, and prescription prices.
for years my paycheck helped fund people who were on welfare, some who did need my contribution but many who can work but were too lazy to get a job because the government will coddle them.
and eric.. good healthcare or mediocre healthcare... at least kids will get their innoculations... i will get to have my baby in a facility... my son will be able to get attention when he is sick.
i think something needs to be done.
and as a side note... the education system does suck but as parents we need to step up and do something about it. people seem to forget we the people.
i for one will be homeschooling my kids, and will not let them get used to one hour a day b.s. that lazy parents do. my kids are going to have a full day of education as if they were in school. after the districts manditory needs are met, we will be going more in depth on each subject. _________________
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I think having the NHS (National Health Service) in Britain is just about the best thing this country has to offer. I find it reasurring that I can go to the doctor whenever I wish and not have to pay a penny, except for medication and if something bad was ever to happen to one of my family or friends (touch wood) it would be dealt with straight away without the worry of finding money to cover the costs.
Public health care comes down to this:
A) Do you want the government to pay for everything and provide everything for the people (aka Communism)
If socializing one industry is communism, then we're already in one. I've mentioned public education. Now we're a communist regime just because we pay for education in our taxes?
I'm not for communism. The government should stay out of the free market, but I think everyone is entitled to live. It's stated in our declaration of independence that every one is entitled to life.
Really if you think public healthcare is communism, then you should also be looking to disband the public education system, and the social security system, since they're both "the government providing everything for the people."
Fiendfyre wrote:
or
B) do you want the government to stay out of the economy and promote ways for people to be able to pay for things themselves.
The government should pay for the basic necessities of life. Poor people can't afford health care. Do they deserve to die because of that? What about the impoverished children with cancer? The government pays for their education, but not their life? That makes a whole lot of sense.
Fiendfyre wrote:
Canada has a public health care system, so does Europe. They pay higher taxes.
Yes, wealthy people pay higher taxes. Last summer I got a $100,000 addition put on my house. I would gladly give that up to save a few children living in poverty with no health-care. People that are better off should have to pay for basic necessities of the people not so well off. If it wasn't that way, we'd be back in the feudal system.
Fiendfyre wrote:
And the systems suck. Why? Government run. There's no competition, therefore less reason to strive for things like quality.
The hospitals in England are way better than they are here. In the US there's no incentive for insurance companies to keep you once you contract some near-fatal disease. They make loopholes in their systems so they can throw you out as soon as you do. In England the doctors get raises for the patients they cure. That's more motivation to strive for quality than any sort of system here.
Fiendfyre wrote:
And yes, we do have a public education system. And, it's pretty crappy.
So we're officially a communism now. The government pays for everything. Soon there will be massive genocides. [/sarcasm] _________________
I never said having a public healthcare system would make us communists. What I said was that the more you make the government pay for things, the closer it gets to that. People are always going to want more and more for themselves without having to directly pay for it. Do you think that would stop with healthcare?
I believe the government should help out where it can. But I don't think it should provide everything. I do agree with you though that basic necessities should be provided for. However, I do not believe we should completely governmentalize our healthcare system. I think it would ultimately have a lot of negative effects for us in particular. _________________
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and katie, i understand what you are saying but money comes out of your paycheck for welfare anyways so the only thing that changes is that you will be helping to fund the healthcare of people who cannot afford it. people.
They wouldn't change stop taking money for welfare to take money for public health care. ;P And I don't support welfare either. x] _________________
So if I make money...and work hard for it....and someone else could have done the same, but chose not to...I have to pay for him too? I understand that there are many people who can't get the healthcare they deserve, and it sucks. But if the government put up public healthcare, more and more people would choose to live off of the government, which is living off of me. I don't want people living off of me. I want them to get a job and be smart with their money. Bottom line is, you're never going to find a system that pleases everybody, and I don't know how well public healthcare would work anyway, so I'm fine with the way it is now. _________________ "If you're going through hell, keep going."
So if I make money...and work hard for it....and someone else could have done the same, but chose not to...I have to pay for him too? I understand that there are many people who can't get the healthcare they deserve, and it sucks. But if the government put up public healthcare, more and more people would choose to live off of the government, which is living off of me. I don't want people living off of me. I want them to get a job and be smart with their money. Bottom line is, you're never going to find a system that pleases everybody, and I don't know how well public healthcare would work anyway, so I'm fine with the way it is now.
As it is now, the person born into a rich family doesn't work at all, and gets his health care paid by his inherited wealth, while the poor man who works as hard as he can still can't pay to keep himself healthy. This is more fair than having the rich sacrifice their private jets to keep the poor alive?
Most poor people aren't free riders, living off of your taxes, and believe me, nobody is content with living off of your taxes. Most lower-class citizens were born in poverty and for them, it is impossible to get out of poverty. We should try to make a system where they can:
1. Live
2. Be able to climb the class ladder if they work hard enough.
That's why it's important to give them health care, and an education. If they have to buy those things, then it's impossible for them to climb the class ladder, no matter how hard they work because they don't have the money to get an education and make money.
Fiendfyre wrote:
I never said having a public healthcare system would make us communists. What I said was that the more you make the government pay for things, the closer it gets to that. People are always going to want more and more for themselves without having to directly pay for it. Do you think that would stop with healthcare?
It would stop where it naturally should stop - luxury items. People should be entitled to life, and the opportunity to increase their prosperity. The government should provide these things for the people who cannot provide them for themselves. At that point, nobody's going to agree that the government should use tax-money to pay for renovations on every citizen's house.
Fiendfyre wrote:
I believe the government should help out where it can. But I don't think it should provide everything. I do agree with you though that basic necessities should be provided for. However, I do not believe we should completely governmentalize our healthcare system. I think it would ultimately have a lot of negative effects for us in particular.
Perhaps we should leave a few parts of the health care system out, but I still think if someone needs X operation to live, the government should be obliged to pay for it, if they can't themselves. _________________
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