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PostPosted: October 24, 2007 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think Americans shouldn't have to pay to keep themselves alive. So many die because they can't pay for treatment that in some cases is so simple to go through with....I don't mean to do any rubbing in, but I live in Canada, and we don't have much of that, so what you're saying just makes my eyes go sooo wide..... Crying

nice job rubbing it in. Wink

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bush needs to go. Many Americans related to my friends, and my friends alike, have been saying it for years. I don't have a lot of experience in the matter. Are they right?


They are not wrong. He hasn't done a blessed thing to help this country, he's too preoccupied with the rest of the world. Not that worrying about other people is a bad thing... but if we aren't healthy, how are we supposed to help others be healthy, ya know?
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PostPosted: October 24, 2007 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As it is now, the person born into a rich family doesn't work at all, and gets his health care paid by his inherited wealth, while the poor man who works as hard as he can still can't pay to keep himself healthy. This is more fair than having the rich sacrifice their private jets to keep the poor alive?


What about middle class people? People who also work hard to make a living. They should have to pay more taxes so the poor can be healthy? I suppose in a lot of people's eyes, this makes me seem like a bad person, but I feel no pity for anyone living in poverty. I firmly believe if you work hard enough, you could get out if it. I feel no need to help pay for anyone's health insurance. Whoever they are.
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PostPosted: October 24, 2007 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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bush needs to go. Many Americans related to my friends, and my friends alike, have been saying it for years. I don't have a lot of experience in the matter. Are they right?

No one else has really considered public healthcare, and Clinton's the only one that's even thinking about it from what I hear. And everyone around me hates Clinton.

The world's getting so much smaller, that it would be easy to argue that helping the rest of the world is helping us. Especially since we've been proven vulnerable, we really do have to try to eliminate some threats.
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PostPosted: October 24, 2007 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know saying I didn't mean to rub it in will just rub it in, but I just wanted to get the right point across!! Wink

Yeah, that's what I pretty much thought of Bush too^ but I didn't want to go critisizing the leader of the most powerful country on Earth without a little info first Wink
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PostPosted: October 24, 2007 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I know saying I didn't mean to rub it in will just rub it in, but I just wanted to get the right point across!! Wink

I was just teasing back, lol.

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Yeah, that's what I pretty much thought of Bush too^ but I didn't want to go critisizing the leader of the most powerful country on Earth without a little info first Wink


Yeah, we're powerful so don't mess with us! lol, jk.

Everyone has their opinions on Bush... but when it comes to Public Heatlthcare... or healthcare of any kind, then he hasn't done anything about it. Because even private healthcare can be absurdly expensive, and they can drop you at the slightest sound of a sniffle. YOu get what you pay for, and the cheaper healthcare systems can end you up with horrific doctors. I don't believe in complete government control, obviously, but they do need to do something about the cost of healthcare, whether it be public or private.
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PostPosted: October 24, 2007 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

of the lore wrote:
I suppose in a lot of people's eyes, this makes me seem like a bad person, but I feel no pity for anyone living in poverty. I firmly believe if you work hard enough, you could get out if it. I feel no need to help pay for anyone's health insurance. Whoever they are.


I don't think you're a bad person, I just think that's an ignorant statement. If you're born in poverty, you're basically destined to have a horrible education, thus you can't get a good job, and will never be able to break through the class barrier.
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PostPosted: October 24, 2007 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't think you're a bad person, I just think that's an ignorant statement. If you're born in poverty, you're basically destined to have a horrible education, thus you can't get a good job, and will never be able to break through the class barrier.


So you're saying high quality education for everyone is the solution?
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PostPosted: October 24, 2007 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

of the lore wrote:
flamingmonkey923 wrote:
As it is now, the person born into a rich family doesn't work at all, and gets his health care paid by his inherited wealth, while the poor man who works as hard as he can still can't pay to keep himself healthy. This is more fair than having the rich sacrifice their private jets to keep the poor alive?


What about middle class people? People who also work hard to make a living. They should have to pay more taxes so the poor can be healthy?.



They already are. The poor get free health care through welfare. It's the middle-class that either can't afford healthcare and/or isn't offered insurance. I made over $23,000 before taxes last year. Thet puts me in the lower-middle class range. I coudln't get insurance, because my job didn't offer a health care plan. They did institute one earlier this year, but it covered almost nothing. I could have saved up the amount of money that they were asking, and I would have been able to cover more than the plan does. It is criminal what is happening in this country.
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PostPosted: October 24, 2007 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

flamingmonkey923 wrote:
of the lore wrote:
I suppose in a lot of people's eyes, this makes me seem like a bad person, but I feel no pity for anyone living in poverty. I firmly believe if you work hard enough, you could get out if it. I feel no need to help pay for anyone's health insurance. Whoever they are.


I don't think you're a bad person, I just think that's an ignorant statement. If you're born in poverty, you're basically destined to have a horrible education, thus you can't get a good job, and will never be able to break through the class barrier.


I disagree with this statement. It is defeatist and untrue. I was born into poverty, and I am going to Penn State in my sophomore year. It isn't Yale, but I honestly don't think that Yale could give me a better education just because it has a reputation for intelligence. A student will get the education that he or she seeks out. I have high hopes for my future, and I will not give in to the idea that you have to live your life in poverty if that is what was dealt to you. I doubt that I will ever be rich, but I can be higher middle class, at least.
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PostPosted: October 29, 2007 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ohh, I'm in grad school for public health, so we have talked about this a lot recently Very Happy

I think it was really sad that Bush vetoed SCHIP. That program was the "middle ground" for families that don't quailfy for assistance based on the federal poverty level, and yet can't always afford insurance for their kids. It's really a shame.

I think it was a political issue more than anything. It was created in 97 and was given a run of 10 years. I don't think it ever had a chance because such programs are seen as a step toward "socialized medicine" and that is not something republican leaders want.

The US spends more on healthcare per person than any other country, and yet we don't have the top outcomes! The numbers of uninsured people in our country is growing, despite health care spending increasing. Uninsured people are less likely to be able to seek preventative care and end up with more serious diseases because of that.

I think the healthcare plans of each candidate should be something that everyone seriously looks at before voting in 08.
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