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PostPosted: March 2, 2008 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lol, maybe.
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PostPosted: March 2, 2008 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Lol Smile Suppose we should start going back on topic, so...Oh yeah, It doesn't matter if Dumbledore is/was gay. It wouldn't have affected the story line in any way, would it?


I think that maybe the plot twist with Dumbledore believing in Grindelwald's opinion would've been a bit different. Maybe Dumbledore wouldn't trust him so much if he didn't think that Gellert was a nice piece of meat... (just joking, heh, don't crucify me Smile)


lmao

yeah that would've changed things for sure Laughing
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PostPosted: March 2, 2008 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bery26 wrote:
Pheuthe wrote:
XxJennxX wrote:
Lol Smile Suppose we should start going back on topic, so...Oh yeah, It doesn't matter if Dumbledore is/was gay. It wouldn't have affected the story line in any way, would it?


I think that maybe the plot twist with Dumbledore believing in Grindelwald's opinion would've been a bit different. Maybe Dumbledore wouldn't trust him so much if he didn't think that Gellert was a nice piece of meat... (just joking, heh, don't crucify me Smile)


lmao

yeah that would've changed things for sure Laughing


Yup Laughing JKR wouldn't make Grindelwald a sexy blonde with an adorable smile if he wasn't meant for physical attraction from a certain powerful Headmaster Laughing
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PostPosted: March 3, 2008 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eww...Grindenwald's like, a gingery dark haired man!
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PostPosted: March 3, 2008 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Eww...Grindenwald's like, a gingery dark haired man!


I believe he was described as blonde Shocked
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PostPosted: March 3, 2008 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh my...fanart is wrong!
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PostPosted: March 3, 2008 3:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grinelwald is definiely described as blonde. DD has red hair. And there is nothing wrong with a boy with red hair, right? Wink
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PostPosted: March 3, 2008 3:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL! DD WITH RED, You sure?
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PostPosted: March 3, 2008 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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LOL! DD WITH RED, You sure?


In CoS, ch 13 pg 245, DD is described as having "auburn" hair.
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PostPosted: March 3, 2008 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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LOL! DD WITH RED, You sure?


In CoS, ch 13 pg 245, DD is described as having "auburn" hair.


When Harry went in Riddles' diary right?
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PostPosted: March 3, 2008 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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LOL! DD WITH RED, You sure?


In CoS, ch 13 pg 245, DD is described as having "auburn" hair.


When Harry went in Riddles' diary right?


yeah i remember reading that
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PostPosted: March 3, 2008 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GinnyX wrote:
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LOL! DD WITH RED, You sure?


In CoS, ch 13 pg 245, DD is described as having "auburn" hair.


auburn is red hair then?
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PostPosted: March 3, 2008 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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LOL! DD WITH RED, You sure?


In CoS, ch 13 pg 245, DD is described as having "auburn" hair.


When Harry went in Riddles' diary right?


yep



And yes, Auburn is a dark red, almost brown.
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PostPosted: March 3, 2008 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh thankee Smile
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PostPosted: March 3, 2008 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isabelle Lestrange wrote:
LOL! DD WITH RED


It would suit those "twinkling blue" eyes perfectly, don't you think Very Happy
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PostPosted: March 3, 2008 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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LOL! DD WITH RED


It would suit those "twinkling blue" eyes perfectly, don't you think Very Happy


Green eyes look best with red hair.
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PostPosted: March 20, 2008 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dunno, my mate has blue eyes and red hair and it really suits her. It's all down to the skin tone I think. Some people do suite green eyes with red hair, others look better with blue.
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PostPosted: March 21, 2008 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I heard about this a while back and the answer is still the same about Dumbledore being gay...Who cares? He is a great character! What annoys me is why wasnt it mentioned in the books?
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PostPosted: March 21, 2008 3:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I heard about this a while back and the answer is still the same about Dumbledore being gay...Who cares? He is a great character! What annoys me is why wasnt it mentioned in the books?


It wasn't necassary to mention it in the book. It's a story about Harry told from Harry's point-of-view. Harry didn't know, so we as the readers dont' know.

In this thread...
http://www.potterforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=15382
I posted an article that includes the following excerpt...
Spoiler:

On the matter of Dumbledore, Jo candidly states the following:


"I had always seen Dumbledore as gay, but in a sense that's not a big deal. The book wasn't about Dumbledore being gay. It was just that from the outset obviously I knew he had this big, hidden secret, and that he flirted with the idea of exactly what Voldemort goes on to do, he flirted with the idea of racial domination, that he was going to subjugate the Muggles. So that was Dumbledore's big secret.


Why did did he flirt with that?" she asks. "He's an innately good man, what would make him do that. I didnt even think it through that way, it just seemed to come to me, I thought 'I know why he did it, he fell in love.' And whether they physically consummated this infatuation or not is not the issue. The issue is love. It's not about sex. So that's what I knew about Dumbledore. And it's relevant only in so much as he fell in love and was made an utter fool of by love. He lost his moral compass completely when he fell in love and I think subsequently became very mistrusting of his own judgment in those matters so became quite asexual. He led a celibate and bookish life."

Clearly some people didn't see it that way. How does she react to those who disagree with a homosexual character in a children's novel? "So what?" she retorts immediately "It is a very interesting question because I think homophobia is a fear of people loving, more than it is of the sexual act. There seems to be an innate distaste for the love involved, which I find absolutely extraordinary. There were people who thought, well why haven't we seen Dumbledore's angst about being gay?" Rowling is clearly amused by this and rightly so. "Where was that going to come in? And then the other thing was-and I had letters saying this-that, as a gay man, he would never be safe to teach in a school."

An air of incredulity descends on the room as if Rowling herself still can not believe this statement. She continues: "He's a very old single man. You have to ask: why is it so interesting? People have to examine their own attitudes. It's a shade of character. Is it the most important thing about him? No, it's Dumbledore for God's sake. There are 20 things that are relavant to the story before his sexuality." Bottom line then: he isn't a gay character; he's a character that just happens to be gay. Rowling concurs wholeheartedly.


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PostPosted: March 21, 2008 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GinnyX wrote:
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I heard about this a while back and the answer is still the same about Dumbledore being gay...Who cares? He is a great character! What annoys me is why wasnt it mentioned in the books?


It wasn't necassary to mention it in the book. It's a story about Harry told from Harry's point-of-view. Harry didn't know, so we as the readers dont' know.

In this thread...
http://www.potterforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=15382
I posted an article that includes the following excerpt...
Spoiler:

On the matter of Dumbledore, Jo candidly states the following:


"I had always seen Dumbledore as gay, but in a sense that's not a big deal. The book wasn't about Dumbledore being gay. It was just that from the outset obviously I knew he had this big, hidden secret, and that he flirted with the idea of exactly what Voldemort goes on to do, he flirted with the idea of racial domination, that he was going to subjugate the Muggles. So that was Dumbledore's big secret.


Why did did he flirt with that?" she asks. "He's an innately good man, what would make him do that. I didnt even think it through that way, it just seemed to come to me, I thought 'I know why he did it, he fell in love.' And whether they physically consummated this infatuation or not is not the issue. The issue is love. It's not about sex. So that's what I knew about Dumbledore. And it's relevant only in so much as he fell in love and was made an utter fool of by love. He lost his moral compass completely when he fell in love and I think subsequently became very mistrusting of his own judgment in those matters so became quite asexual. He led a celibate and bookish life."

Clearly some people didn't see it that way. How does she react to those who disagree with a homosexual character in a children's novel? "So what?" she retorts immediately "It is a very interesting question because I think homophobia is a fear of people loving, more than it is of the sexual act. There seems to be an innate distaste for the love involved, which I find absolutely extraordinary. There were people who thought, well why haven't we seen Dumbledore's angst about being gay?" Rowling is clearly amused by this and rightly so. "Where was that going to come in? And then the other thing was-and I had letters saying this-that, as a gay man, he would never be safe to teach in a school."

An air of incredulity descends on the room as if Rowling herself still can not believe this statement. She continues: "He's a very old single man. You have to ask: why is it so interesting? People have to examine their own attitudes. It's a shade of character. Is it the most important thing about him? No, it's Dumbledore for God's sake. There are 20 things that are relavant to the story before his sexuality." Bottom line then: he isn't a gay character; he's a character that just happens to be gay. Rowling concurs wholeheartedly.



Well that does make sense. But wouldnt his freinds have known? So if this is so why didnt JKR say that Rita got this information from batilda bagshot in the interview? It would have been better that way rather than announcing it after the last book is released.
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PostPosted: March 21, 2008 4:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well that does make sense. But wouldnt his freinds have known? So if this is so why didnt JKR say that Rita got this information from batilda bagshot in the interview? It would have been better that way rather than announcing it after the last book is released.


How would his friends know? Many, many gay people live their whole lives never telling anyone until they are much older, shocking their families and friends. DD kept his secret to his death.
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PostPosted: March 21, 2008 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well that does make sense. But wouldnt his freinds have known? So if this is so why didnt JKR say that Rita got this information from batilda bagshot in the interview? It would have been better that way rather than announcing it after the last book is released.


It was in the first half of 20th century, gays were pretty much social outcasts then and I don't think there's that much difference with that between Muggle and Wizarding society... but either way, Bathilda didn't necessarily know - Gellert was her nephew, after all, and you don't come to your old, conservative Auntie saying you're gay, or having a gay affair with that nice boy from the neighborhood. Bathilda not knowing about his nephew's romantic involvements makes sense.

And, as JKR stated, the book is NOT about Dumbledore being gay. Those who are open-minded enough, saw it in the book even before she explicitly stated it.
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