666 is the number of the anitchrist, not the devil. If you read in the book of revelation, it says a beast will come and take babylon as his bride, his number will be 666 (which is suppose to be the devil incarnate in a human just like god indwelt in a man aka Jesus) the devil will indwell a human known as the antichrist. he will be given powers to preform miracles to try and tell people taht he is the savior. he will become ruler of the world and divide it into ten nations under his control, hence the ten toes of king Nebukanezzers (i spelt that wrong) dream. the toes are made of Iron and clay which will easily break apart..
then the tooth fairy, santa, jesus and the easter bunny will all come down and save the day.
Yes, well, when the anti-christ comes at the apocolypse and has 666 tattooed on him.. you all will think differently.
"Believe me or the devil is going to come and destroy you along with the rest of the world!" That's convincing. Thank you for using terroristic tactics.
hmmm "believe me or you will be condemend to eternal suffering in hell"
- christians/catholics etc...
thank all them for me, for saying since i disagree i will perish.
What I first said was just being sarcastic... but the book of Revelation which mentions all these things is probably the most confusing in the Bible. There's a lot of different things that can be interpreted in a lot of different ways.. but interpreting all of it literally is probably the worst way you could interpret it. A lot of people thought Hitler was the anti-Christ... he wasn't. The anti-Christ will be worse.
Do I think the end of the world will one day come? Yeah, I do. When or in what manner, I do not know, but the Bible presents a realistic way for it to happen.
Also, Jesus was the one who said only through him would you be able to enter the kingdom of heaven... and yeah, not everyone is going to believe him, right? But I believe he was the Son of God, and I believe that you get to heaven only through him. Does that mean you're going to hell if you don't believe? Well, did Jesus ever say that? I don't think so... but I'm not a Bible scholar or anything. I also think it's wrong to tell someone "believe, or you're going to hell!" Some Christians/churches do this, yes, but most don't. Christians aren't trying to "force" anything upon people, or hand them an ultimatum.. that would be the exact opposite of what Christianity is. _________________
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it will if you keep saying that and trying to have it closed, stay on topic
Please don't talk to me that way. And I was only saying that because every other religion thread has been closed.
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Also, Jesus was the one who said only through him would you be able to enter the kingdom of heaven... and yeah, not everyone is going to believe him, right? But I believe he was the Son of God, and I believe that you get to heaven only through him. Does that mean you're going to hell if you don't believe? Well, did Jesus ever say that? I don't think so... but I'm not a Bible scholar or anything. I also think it's wrong to tell someone "believe, or you're going to hell!" Some Christians/churches do this, yes, but most don't. Christians aren't trying to "force" anything upon people, or hand them an ultimatum.. that would be the exact opposite of what Christianity is.
Christianity: (n) A religion, founded on the life and teachings of christ.
The most loving and peaceful man to walk the earth wrote:
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. (Mark 16:16)
Jesus said "Believe me or go to hell," which is exactly what you said in your first post (sarcastic or not). It's thus quite christian to say the same thing. [/quote] _________________
Also, Jesus was the one who said only through him would you be able to enter the kingdom of heaven... and yeah, not everyone is going to believe him, right? But I believe he was the Son of God, and I believe that you get to heaven only through him. Does that mean you're going to hell if you don't believe? Well, did Jesus ever say that? I don't think so... but I'm not a Bible scholar or anything. I also think it's wrong to tell someone "believe, or you're going to hell!" Some Christians/churches do this, yes, but most don't. Christians aren't trying to "force" anything upon people, or hand them an ultimatum.. that would be the exact opposite of what Christianity is.
Christianity: (n) A religion, founded on the life and teachings of christ.
The most loving and peaceful man to walk the earth wrote:
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. (Mark 16:16)
Jesus said "Believe me or go to hell," which is exactly what you said in your first post (sarcastic or not). It's thus quite christian to say the same thing.
Does damned mean go to hell? Not necessarily. Most people think it does, but damned pretty much means eternal punishment (which is consistent with hell). Eternal punishment could be viewed simply as "missing out" on what the kingdom of heaven holds. Does that mean you automatically go to hell? I dunno. I would think hell would be a place for the most evil of people.
Also, nowhere in my first post did I say "believe me or go to hell". Not really sure where you go that from. _________________
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They made it clear that there is only heaven and hell and by damnation does mean eternity in hell. _________________ For Im eternal night
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Precede my evil divine domain
"Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death."
Deuteronomy 17:2-5
so if someone follows another religion it's okay to stone them to death?
"They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman."
Chronicles 15:12-13
kill the nonbelievers _________________
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They made it clear that there is only heaven and hell and by damnation does mean eternity in hell.
Who's they? And damnation doesn't necessarily mean hell. I mean, I can be damned to a prison the rest of my life. Does that mean I'm in hell? No, that just means I'm in prison for life.
dontsayiquit wrote:
"Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death."
Deuteronomy 17:2-5
so if someone follows another religion it's okay to stone them to death?
"They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman."
Chronicles 15:12-13
kill the nonbelievers
Think about the books that make up the Bible though and when they were written. Back then, that was the sort of thing that happened. If people didn't conform to the "rules", they were stoned. Eventually people realized that one of God's commandments was indeed "Do not kill". Were early Christians the only ones to do this? No. Infact, Christians themselves were put to death by the Roman Empire because they refused to renounce Christ and say that the Emperor was a god. Is any of this right to do today? No. Do you see Christians going around stoning people who don't believe? No. It's in the Bible because that's what people did back then. Barbaric? Yea. Does it still go on in the world today? Yes. But not by Christians, and not by most religions. Mainly by governments that don't allow religious freedom. _________________
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666 is the number of the anitchrist, not the devil. If you read in the book of revelation, it says a beast will come and take babylon as his bride, his number will be 666 (which is suppose to be the devil incarnate in a human just like god indwelt in a man aka Jesus) the devil will indwell a human known as the antichrist. he will be given powers to preform miracles to try and tell people taht he is the savior. he will become ruler of the world and divide it into ten nations under his control, hence the ten toes of king Nebukanezzers (i spelt that wrong) dream. the toes are made of Iron and clay which will easily break apart..
then the tooth fairy, santa, jesus and the easter bunny will all come down and save the day.
actually the easter bunny isnt invited! lol _________________
Think about the books that make up the Bible though and when they were written. Back then, that was the sort of thing that happened. If people didn't conform to the "rules", they were stoned. Eventually people realized that one of God's commandments was indeed "Do not kill". Were early Christians the only ones to do this? No. Infact, Christians themselves were put to death by the Roman Empire because they refused to renounce Christ and say that the Emperor was a god. Is any of this right to do today? No. Do you see Christians going around stoning people who don't believe? No. It's in the Bible because that's what people did back then. Barbaric? Yea. Does it still go on in the world today? Yes. But not by Christians, and not by most religions. Mainly by governments that don't allow religious freedom.
If god really does exist and he is omniscient, all knowing so he knows everything past, present, and future. then he would know that these rules would be unacceptable in present and future times... _________________
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damnation doesn't necessarily mean hell. I mean, I can be damned to a prison the rest of my life. Does that mean I'm in hell? No, that just means I'm in prison for life.
If jesus ever mentioned where exactly the damned were going, it was always followed with
A) Unquenchable fire
B) Gnashing of teeth
C) Eternal torment
D) Unbearable pain
E) any combination of the above phrases
To me, you can call that 'missing out on heaven' or you can call it 'hell,' but if anyone tells me that I'm going to be damned to eternal torment, or any of the other phrases, I consider it a threat.
Fiendfyre wrote:
Think about the books that make up the Bible though and when they were written. Back then, that was the sort of thing that happened. If people didn't conform to the "rules", they were stoned.
So god was just conforming to the rest of society? God was following a fad, huh? I guess that absolves him from having been an intolerant, genocidal maniac.
By that logic, we should forgive Hitler for what he did, because Hitler was really just following the fad of his time, set by Mussolini.
Fiendfyre wrote:
Barbaric? Yea. Does it still go on in the world today? Yes. But not by Christians, and not by most religions.
Right. Christians don't ever kill anyone out for religious reasons. They don't kill people for... say working at an abortion clinic. [/sarcasm]
But back to the point: jesus was an intolerant person, who used the Argumentum ad Baculum all the time. His core message was: "believe in me, and I will reward you; don't believe in me, and I will torture you for eternity." Christianity, in it's nature (following an intolerant, dogmatic, violent, cultist leader) is prone to do things like threaten people with eternal torture, or even more secular threats of murder. How was I supposed to know you weren't serious in your 'the devil will come down and prove you wrong!' post? _________________
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heres some info from wiki on the number 666...
In mathematics
666 is an abundant number. It is the sum of the first 36 natural numbers (i.e. 1 + 2 + 3... + 34 + 35 + 36 = 666), and thus a triangular number. Since 36 is both square and triangular, 666 is the sixth number of the form n2(n2 + 1) / 2 (sequence A037270 in OEIS) and the eighth number of the form n(n + 1)(n2 + n + 2) / 8 (doubly triangular numbers, A002817).
666 is the sum of the squares of the first seven prime numbers (i.e. 22 + 32 + 52 + 72 + 112 + 132 + 172 = 666).
The harmonic mean of the decimal digits of 666 is (trivially) an integer: 3/(1/6 + 1/6 + 1/6) = 6, making 666 the 54th number with this property.
In base 10, 666 is a palindromic number, a repdigit and a Smith number. A prime reciprocal magic square based on 1/149 in base 10 has a magic total of 666.
The Roman numeral representation of the number 666 (DCLXVI) uses once each the Roman numeral symbols with values under 1,000, occurring in descending order of their respective values (D = 500, C = 100, L = 50, X = 10, V = 5, I = 1).
666 is a member of the Indices of prime Padovan sequence, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 14, 19, 30, 37, 84, 128, 469, 666, 1262, 1573, 2003, 2210, ... (sequence A112882 in OEIS).
The number of the Beast
Main article: Number of the Beast
In the Bible, the Book of Revelation (13:17-1 cryptically asserts 666 to be "the number of a man", associated with the beast, an antagonistic creature that appears briefly about two-thirds into the apocalyptic vision. The author challenges the reader to figure out the symbolism of this number, a challenge that has inspired mystics and would-be prophets ever since. The number of people who have been proposed to be the man whose number is 666 is vast and ever growing; it usually does not demand much ingenuity to find several ways to connect one's political or religious opponent with the number 666, since there is no biblical restriction on how a connection between a man and the number may be established.
In modern popular culture, 666 has become one of the most widely recognized symbols for Satan or the Devil. Earnest references to 666 occur both among apocalypticist Christian groups and in explicitly anti-Christian subcultures such as that surrounding some heavy metal bands; more humorous allusions to the 666 symbolism (e.g., the Lemmings level featuring three 6's built upon "hellish" lava terrain) are mainstream. An appearance of the number 666 in contemporary Western art or literature is more likely than not an intentional reference to this number of the Beast symbolism. Such popular references to 666 are too numerous to list here.
It is not uncommon to see the symbolic role of the integer 666 transferred to the digit sequence 6-6-6. Some people take the satanic associations of 666 so seriously that they actively avoid things related to 666 or the digits 6-6-6. This is known (more or less tongue-in-cheek) as hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia.
In other fields
666 is the number of gold talents that King Solomon collected in a single year (see 1 Kings 10:14 and 2 Chronicles 9:13).
666 is the number of Adonikam's descendants who return to Jerusalem and Judah from the Babylonian exile (see Ezra 2:13).
The sum of all the numbers on a roulette wheel is 666.
The sum of Roman numerals from I to D is 666 (DCLXVI).
666 is the port number used by the game Doom when playing against another player via TCP.
666 was the original name of the Macintosh SevenDust computer virus that was discovered in 1998.
Apple's first release, the Apple I, was priced at $666.66 _________________ <-evan S cool
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cryptically asserts 666 to be "the number of a man", associated with the beast, an antagonistic creature that appears briefly about two-thirds into the apocalyptic vision. The author challenges the reader to figure out the symbolism of this number, a challenge that has inspired mystics and would-be prophets ever since. The number of people who have been proposed to be the man whose number is 666 is vast and ever growing; it usually does not demand much ingenuity to find several ways to connect one's political or religious opponent with the number 666, since there is no biblical restriction on how a connection between a man and the number may be established.
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