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chunice
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yah ok.
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halfbloodprincess
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lets just agree to disagree...
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GinnyX
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| halfbloodprincess wrote: |
| it was luck that he is still alive. he was lucky that harry told sirius not to kill him. he was lucky that voldie did not have any choice so voldie made him useful by forcing him to brew that flesh blood bone thing. and yes he is brainless because he couldnt even get all the characteristics of a werewolf when he runs around once a month with one. and even mcgonagall said he was an idiot. its only luck that is why he is alive. |
Luck has nothing to do with it. He may not have been the brightest crayon in the box, but he was very clever. He positioned himself in a wizard's home to stay close to the Wizarding World. And he kept up the disguise for, what, 12, 13 years? He managed to fake his own death and make it look like Sirius had done the killing. I agree that certain things did happen to him that he did not initiate, but it wasn't luck that has kept him alive until now, it's his sheer will not to die.
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GinnyX
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| Posted: May 15, 2007 1:57 am Post subject: |
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Although its arguable that Wormtail could have been in Gryffindor/Slytherin/Hufflepuff, its not common for Gryffindor's to associate with anyone out of their own house.
Its not common for ANYONE to associate with anyone out of their own house.
Three Gryffindors and a Slytherin walking around?
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| yes, most likely he will. but the fact remains that he is neither brave nor loyal. his betrayal to james is proof of that. and even if he still returns the favor to harry, he still does not deserve to be called brave and noble, after what he did to james. |
BLAH BLAH BLAH.
He was loyal to Voldemort, even though it was out of fear. Pettigrew is the type of guy that has a strong dependency on people who are much stronger, smarter, swifter than him, like James, Sirius and Lupin. He was very much loyal to those three while attending Hogwarts, keeping to the Marauders (I solemnly swear to do no good ...or something like that)
BUT stuff happens after high school that are out of your control, because of those traits and his weak will, he was an easy target for Voldemort....to use and be a spy/secret keeper which evidently lead to the Potter's funeral.
AND FINALLY
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According to an interview with Rowling, he was placed in GRYFFINDOR. |
by the way,
This person is smart, uses thorough evidence.
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I don't think the Sorting House puts you in the house because you have their traits, but because the House has the traits you value.
The Hat could have put him into Gryffindor not because he was brave, but because he admired bravery.
That being said, I think Wormtail was an impressionable young boy. He went along with the crowd, trailing after those who would allow him. And entranced with power, he fell in with the wrong crowd. Too fearful of the Dark Lord, he gave in; betraying his friends.... Out of fear of Voldemort... and cowardice that if he didn't go to the seemingly winning side, he would perish.
It is my belief that he started slipping by the end of their seventh year, but didn't officially stray until well after graduation. By then who knows what happened to him.
Sirius was riding a motorbike, James had settled down with Lily... people change and for some all the worse.
Wormtail may have at one time admired bravery... but people change, as do their values and dreams. |
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Mr. Lovegood
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| The Sorting Hat sensed he would one day be brave enough to defy Voldemort. THAT is why. |
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halfbloodprincess
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| Posted: June 4, 2007 3:42 am Post subject: |
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well, whatever.
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because Gryffindor was known by his courage, not his smartness in knowing where to put students 
maybe he asked
i think he was good at some point, then got it all wrong because school was over and he couldn't clap his hands at james and sirius anymore. maybe they found it annoying and he felt alone or in danger and joined what was easy, or got into a trap.
i don't believe im 100% evil peter. e did became an animagus to help lupin.
there's a thing people forget. he wasn't talented or popular. maybe that had some to do with it too in the end. wanted to be someone.
or then he was stupid as a door, not loyal and a muggleborn so the sorting hat put him in gryffindor
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| Wormtail's a Gryffindor same reason Neville is. There were very similar in school. |
nah, neville doesn't wet himself at the sight of harry
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Good point6... and even back when he was in school wormtail gave you a really slimy feeling. Maybe the hat pittied him...
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Aloha-Hale Pokeli-Aloha
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I’m pretty sure in one of the books it says how Slytherins are confident, sly and sneaky. Wormtail, is not confident at all. Look at him… He played as a rat for how long! Ravenclaw is for the for the clever, and he is far from that. He can’t think for his self. Hufflepuff is for the loyal. He is loyal to Voldemort, but to James and Lilly. PIG! Gryffindor. The brave. It is where he fits in because even though he was brave for the wrong reasons, you have to admit he was brave turning James and Lily in, and going to Voldemort. I mean, he knew the Sirus was going to be furious and try and get rid of him once he figured out it was him. Look how much he was afraid of Sirius in the PoA. Seriously. It just goes to show that Gryffindor can produce nasty ones too.
And who ever said that Longbottom and Wormtail is alike. I’m sorry, but no. Nothing a like.
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halfbloodprincess
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urgh!
pettigrew was faced with only to choices
1. side with voldie and be superior above the rest
2. side with james, antagonize voldie, and risk being tortured and killed by voldie.
the first one is easier. yes it does require bravery, but the second choice requires more bravery. and there were only two choices for pettigrew. so you cant say he's brave just because he did something that requires bravery because in the very first place he did not have the option not to choose, and he even picked the one thaat requires less bravery.
so no pettigrew is not gryffindorish for being brave enough to side for voldie.
another characteristic of gryffindors is not just bravery but nobility. ok, siding with voldie requires bravery. but does that make pettigrew noble? no.
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T3st1fy
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Just because he is evil doesnt mean he has to be a slytherin... i know someone probably said this but whatever!!!
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| another characteristic of gryffindors is not just bravery but nobility. ok, siding with voldie requires bravery. but does that make pettigrew noble? no. |
He is noble to Voldemort. He'd do ANYTHING for him. He is spineless. I think that if you look at from the veiw i am then you will see that the characteristics that Peter has is more "gryffindorish" than any other house.
Where do you think he belongs than halfbloodprincess
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T3st1fy
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| Posted: June 16, 2007 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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Neville isnt exactly the bravest person ever either.
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| Posted: June 16, 2007 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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^^I agree. But, he fought in the Ministry so he is brave for that.
Maybe we will find out in book 7, or maybe Wormtail did something in his past. |
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halfbloodprincess
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no neville is brave. among the gryffindors, he i probably next to harry. he knows that he doesnt stand a fighting chance against the death eaters, yet he insists on going. neville is brave. pettigrew is a coward. he hasnt a drop of gryffindor blood him?
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T3st1fy
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I really dont think neville is brave. It seems like he has to force himself to stand up for what he thinks is right. idk.
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halfbloodprincess
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| Posted: June 17, 2007 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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i think neville is brave.
1. he is a gryffindor
2. he was brave enough to risk detention just to tell harry that malfoy was up to something. (SS)
3. he got 10 points for standing up against harry when they were gonna disobey (SS)
4. he worked hard to learn more defensive spells
5. he went with harry to the dept of mysteries knowing that he doesnt stand a chance against death eaters.
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| Posted: June 18, 2007 12:08 am Post subject: |
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Neville is brave because of that. ^^^^^
But, where did it say Wormtail was in Gryfinndor? I don't remember reading that. |
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halfbloodprincess
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| Posted: June 18, 2007 1:00 am Post subject: |
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exactly. i dunno why pettigrew is suddenly a gryffindor.
i wont accept that until the proof is shoved up my nose.
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| Posted: June 18, 2007 1:44 am Post subject: |
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| i wont except until it is shoved up my @$$ |
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halfbloodprincess
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| Posted: June 18, 2007 2:06 am Post subject: |
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ouch...
id rather that itbe shoved up my nose.
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| Posted: June 18, 2007 2:07 am Post subject: |
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| @$$ would be more believable. |
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halfbloodprincess
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| Posted: June 18, 2007 2:25 am Post subject: |
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well i get to see it if its under my nose.
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[quote="Your Worst Nightmare"]
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so try me on and i will tell you
where you ought to be[/i]
so you see? that chooses for you...if the hat thinks it best for you to go into Gryyfindor then your going to gryffindor...no questions asked |
Right. "where you OUGHT to be." The sorting hat will tell you where you should be but won't force you to go to that House. If it was a no-arguments thing, then I think Rowling would have written will instead of ought (or something that flows better than will).
Remember the hat waned to put Harry in Slytherin but he said no.
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