I was considering the idea that the reason that Snape turned from Volemort is that he and Lilly are actually half brother /half sisters. Her parents are muggles, His mother Ellen Prince was discribed as kind of plain unattractive and his father ( not named was a muggle) with the references to the Love Potions I was thinking maybe Ellen used one to seduce snapes father and that he also happened to be Lilly's father as well in a twist . Snape would feel guilty having sent Volemort after Lilly inadvertently. Lilly was also alway nice to snape ( got upset with James about hanging him upside down and such)
Its a good theory but i think im leaning towards the Snape was in Love with Lily theory. They both were good potion makers, Lily was nice to him... Maybe poor Snapey fell in love with her and then James came along....
I think there is a big secret regarding Lily/James relationship. But I have no idea what it may be! _________________
Or perhaps cousins. Snapes father and one of lily's parents could be siblings. _________________ "For too long we have been taught to praise the wrong heroes, thieves planting flags and murderers carrying crosses. Let us at last praise the colonizers of dreams." ~ Peter S. Beagle
That theory is too wired... I like the Snape-was-in-love-with-Lily-Theory more, and that would explain why Snape hated James and now Harry... _________________ Sonita
1. This half siblings theory doesn't make sense. If Lily Evan's father =Evans had a illegitimate son with Prince, who whilst she was still pregnant married a muggle named Snape. If he was illegitimate and unwanted, it could explain his parents' rotten and unloving treatment of him. All Brittish parents aren't normally cold and unloving are they? LOL
2. I thought Snape would have been more upset that Voldemort killed the wizard who had saved his life. (James Potter) Than to be upset that Lily died too. _________________ You're just jealous cause the voices only talk to me!
I agree. But then what is the big secret about Lily? I think the only secret that would make sense would be something regarding her relationship with Snape. It could go be something as a special bond or we can go to the extremes and say he was in love with her. _________________
It could be possible. Snape definitely had some relation to Lily.
* Petunia's cry of "that awful boy. . ." when she was explaining how she knew so much about dementors in OotP. I don't think she would call James that because he would probably of been very charming, handsome, whenever he came to Lily's home.
*Lily was sympathetic towards Snape (at first) in the pensieve, then he calls her a mudblood and she joins James in harassing him.
*They were both supposedly brilliant in potions and lily in charms. Both in the top of there class could of hooked up or been siblings.
I don't even recall hearing anything mentioned from a decent source of a "Secret of Lily's". Was this something that came up here or that one of you heard from a source 0o.
I think Snape was in love with lily, but i doubt Lily had any feelings for him.
Seems more likely that they were somehow related considering that talent apparently runs in familes somewhat it makes more sense since they both excelled at potions
Even though this was posted 2005 originally. I don't think that Snape has left Voldemort now ...
I do agree with that though. I think that Snape definitely had feelings for Lily Evans. You could tell by the memory Harry saw through the Penseive.
Spoiler:
After the exams, James, Sirius, Lupin, and Wormtail all went to the tree on the Hogwarts grounds close to the lake. James was leading the group so I think he purpously sat near the lake to be near Lily Evans and her friends. Snape obviously took the same frame of mind that why, he was sitting close to James and co..
I also agree with Snape being related someway to Harry (as in to his mother/father etc.). I believe this because whenever Snape has the perfect chance to hurt Harry, he never does. There must be some sort of connection ( Yes, I know that he is on Hogwarts grounds but still ... )
...His mother Ellen Prince was discribed as kind of plain unattractive and his father ( not named was a muggle) with the references to...
Not true...the HP Lexicon says Snape's father was a Muggle named Tobias Snape. This man, could, however be a sibling of Lily's mother or could even be Lily's father (though this would be a more "adult" plot than would probably be comfortable in a kids' book) through adultery. I was inclined to wonder about Lily and Snape's secret relationship as well and even thought they might be brother and sister, but it seems unlikely. For one thing, they're not described as looking ANYTHING alike and most half-siblings are at least genetically similar in some aspects. I should know--I have FIVE half-brothers myself and look similar to all of them.
However, Lily has a "secret" that shall be revealed in Book 7. It might be related to Snape and it might not, but I think there's definitely more to the two of them than meets the eye. Lily has been described as being compassionate and gifted. I wonder if it is possible that she and Snape were secretly "friends" until he decided to be particularly nasty toward her by calling her a Mudblood. The scene from "Snape's Worst Memory" made me see Snape as what he really is--an injured animal. He is so hurt that he strikes out in fear and anger at anyone who comes within spitting distance.
He has deep feelings for Lily, even if he doesn't seem to have an abiding respect for her abilities, personality, and--sadly--parentage. Yet he cannot bear to have her near him, perhaps because he doesn't want her to find out what he truly is--a "Mudblood" like herself? I wonder, too, if this is not part of what he dislikes so much about Harry--besides the whole "life debt" thing. Maybe he sees so much of his own past in Harry that it's easier to lash out than to embrace him as the gifted wizard he is growing to be. Snape, as a Slytherin, no doubt prizes many of the same Pureblood values that the Malfoys do, so he would see being half-blood or less as a weakness. Harry, who is not a Pureblood, would seem to him just as undeserving of greatness as is Snape himself.
In the past, Snape likely wanted to be close to Lily, yet when he found himself close to her, he was disgusted with his desires and ended up pushing her away. It seems some of his dislike of James would come from James's desire to have Lily, though James was Pureblood and Lily was certainly not. Snape would probably have been disgusted by James in addition to being tormented by him. And then the whole thing culminated when James made the mistake of saving Snape's life. Poor Harry, having to deal with such a messy legacy. _________________ "Wow, I wonder what it'd be like to have a difficult life," said Harry sarcastically.
First... please, next time, post some kind of synopsis...
I really like all you said, specially the part of Snape being like an injured animal (a pig, perhaps) and him not liking James becasue the whole Lily part... it makes you think... _________________ Sonita
1)I really don't think that Snape and Lily are realted. It just doesn't seem to fit together well. Or, at least, there isn't enough evidence in the book to come to that conclusion. There is simply too much speculation and not enough evidence.
2)I think that having Snape be related to Lily would be a little too much "adult content" After all, the Harry Potter series is actually a childrens book even though many adults read it! That was JKR's inteneded audiance when she started the series. Somehow, have a scandelous(sp?) relationship and illigitimet children doesn't seem like approptiate stuff to put in a children's novel!
3)(Just a little side note that completely goes against my beliefs!) IF (I say IF) Snape and Lily were somehow half-siblings, that doesn't mean they have to look somewhat alike! Someone said that they don't look alike and that is why they can't be siblings. If you look at chapter 2 of HBP, JKR describes Narcissa Malfoy and Bellatrix Lestrange. They are sisters and they look nothing alike. JKR writes that Narcissa(Cissy) is very fair with white-blonde hair, pale skin etc. And Bellatrix(Bella) is dark with black hair and heavily lidded eyes etc. So, as evidence would show, it doesn't really matter if Lily and Severus don't look alike(if indeed they ARE related)
4) I personally am more inclined to believe that Snape was in love with, or at least had feelings for, Lily. Snape always abuses James when talking to Harry. He telly Harry all the bad things that he can possible think of about James. I don't know about you, but most people tend to be jealous of their crushes boyfriend/girlfriend and look at all the bad things about them! Plus, when we see the scene where James and Sirius are picking on Snape, Lily tries to help Snape. Then Severus calls Lily a Mudblood. That fits with him liking Lily as well! Think about young boys who kind-of-sort-of like a girl. What do they do? They pick on her, of course! Because they don't want anyone to KNOW that they like the girl! THink about it...Severus is a Slytherin and Lily is a Gryffindor. They are supposed to hate eachother on principal, right? So Snape wouldn't want people to know that he likes Lily, a Gryffindor.
5) While I think that Severus liked Lily, I don't think she felt anything for him in return. After Snape calles her a Mudblood, she isn't nice to him anymore. I think that she was just being kind to him before because she was a generally kind and caring person. Then she realized that he wasn't deserving of kindness. If she HAD felt something for Snape, I think she would have still defended him somewhat. Girls are a little more forthright in their feelings and less inclined to hide the fact that they like someone. _________________ "If you love me, then let go of me. I won't be held down by who I used to be."
"Many people die for their beliefs. It is actually quite common. The real courage is in living and suffering for them."
If Snape's mother was a pureblood and James was a pureblood, that would mean that they're related in some way. Neville and Draco are.
Black-familytree
If you look at the familytree you can see Draco Malfoy, you can also see that Dorea Black married Charlus Potter
There is also a:
- Callidora Black who married Harfang Longbottom.
- Belvina Black who married Herbert Burke (Burke from that shop in that side-street of Diagon alley)
- Arcturus Black who married a Melania McMillan (Ernie)
- Pollux Black and Irma Crabbe (Crabbe and Goyle)
- Charis Black and Caspar Crouch (Barty Crouch Jr./Sr.)
I mean all purebloods are somehow related... _________________ Nederlands!!
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